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...this one beheaded her 6-year-old daughter (who, incidently, was a crack baby because mommy had done tons of coke'n'blow) after drowning her because she was an "uncontrollable demon" who interupted a phone conversation one too many times.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local...ldmurder14.html

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Tuesday, June 14, 2005

Mother says she beheaded daughter
First she drowned 'demon' 6-year-old in bath, police told

By HECTOR CASTRO
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

She told friends her daughter was an uncontrollable "demon."

So, detectives contend, the woman drew a bath in her White Center home, placed the 6-year- old child in the water and held her under until she died.

Then, using an ax she bought at a nearby hardware store, she cut the child's head off.

Yesterday, King County prosecutors charged Samara L. Spann, 30, with first-degree murder for the slaying of her daughter, Kyeimah Spann. She was being held under watch in the medical ward of the Sacramento County Main Jail in Sacramento, Calif., where she was arrested last week for allegedly slapping another child.

The murder case against Spann began with a call from California, where she had been living since February.

According to documents filed in court, a caseworker with California Child Protective Services contacted King County detectives Feb. 22, asking them to check on Kyeimah's welfare. The caseworker had heard from one of the mother's friends that the child may have been killed.

Detectives checked the address provided, but the family living there did not know the Spanns. When they checked with the local school, Mount View Elementary, they learned Kyeimah had attended first grade there from September until Jan. 11.

School officials gave detectives another address to check. They found that residence vacant as well, but neighbors told them Spann had moved just a week earlier.

During the next few weeks, detectives found no reports of missing children that matched Kyeimah's description.

Detectives later learned that Spann had contacted Washington's Department of Social and Health Services in January to report she would no longer need welfare for Kyeimah. She reportedly told authorities that her daughter had moved to Missouri to live with her grandmother.

Then, last Tuesday, the girl's grandfather called from Sacramento to file a missing-person report.

Three days later, a Sacramento County sheriff's detective went to Spann's home and arrested her for slapping her 14-year-old daughter.

Once in custody, detectives asked Spann about Kyeimah. She initially denied hurting her child, but eventually confessed, according to the court documents.

In several interviews with King County detectives, who traveled to Sacramento to speak with Spann, the mother related a horrific story.

Spann said she was a heavy drug user when Kyeimah was born, and that as a crack baby, the girl was difficult to control. In the late hours of Dec. 31 or Jan. 1, Spann said, she'd had enough.

When the girl kept getting out of bed, interrupting a conversation Spann was having on the phone with a friend, she decided to drown the child.

Spann told detectives that without telling her friend, she filled her bathtub with water and drowned Kyeimah, leaving the body in the home for two days. She said she then left and stayed at a Georgetown motel during that time.

She bought a heavy chain, padlock and an ax at a hardware store. While buying these items to hide Kyeimah's body, she also tried to buy a teddy bear for her third child, an infant boy. But she did not have enough money, investigators said.

Once at home, she used the ax to decapitate the child. She padlocked a chain around her daughter's remains, then placed the child in a plastic bin.

Spann allegedly had a friend baby-sit her infant son while she drove to a bridge and dumped Kyeimah into a body of water. So far, investigators have been unable to find the little girl's remains.

Court documents indicate Spann admitted killing her daughter to at least two friends and her eldest daughter, who didn't want her mother arrested.

"The girl convinced Spann not to turn herself in because she would lose her mother," prosecutors said.

The girl and her infant brother have been placed in protective custody, Sacramento authorities said.

Spann is expected to have a court hearing tomorrow in Sacramento Superior Court, where she could waive extradition proceedings. If that happens, officials said, she could be in Seattle within days.

About two months before she allegedly killed her daughter, Spann filed for a protection order against the father of her son.

In her request, Spann said she was being treated for depression and was on medication.

Her criminal history includes arrests for prostitution, forgery and theft.

In July 2000, Washington state CPS officials were contacted after Spann was caught shoplifting with her children, state officials said.

There was no information available on what came of that contact.

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Mere beheading doesn't work on demons, didn't she ever watch evil dead? you need complete disembowelment.

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you never hear about stuff like this in our state. We don't have pyschos like this where I live.

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I hope they have the DP in Washington state and the balls to actually use it.

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you guys ever think she may be suffereing from post partum depression? This woman needs our help, not our anger.

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I hope they have the DP in Washington state and the balls to actually use it.



I hope not.

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Her confession doesn't match up to the symptoms of postpartum depression.

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She's clearly still a ****ed-in-the-head coke addict though. Pills and nice white room I think.

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Maybe you can make the charitable contributions to keep this self-absorbed murdering asswipe alive then. Why in hell should we waste money supporting this kind of scum when there are thousands of better uses for the funds, not to mention real rehabilitation and crime prevention and counseling needs out there?

I don't give a **** if she was coked out - that's a voluntary choice. Fry the *****.

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you never hear about stuff like this in our state. We don't have pyschos like this where I live.


What, Californians aren't moving to Las Vegas in droves? Give it time, Diss. Big-staters bring their psychoses with them...

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Maybe you can make the charitable contributions to keep this self-absorbed murdering asswipe alive then. Why in hell should we waste money supporting this kind of scum when there are thousands of better uses for the funds, not to mention real rehabilitation and crime prevention and counseling needs out there?

I don't give a **** if she was coked out - that's a voluntary choice. Fry the *****.


Death Penalty

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Eughhh, that is revolting...

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Isn't anyone here willing to consider the possibility that the kid actually was a demon? I mean, what kind of name is Kyeimah? When you hear "Kyeimah," do you think "6-year-old kid" or do you think "Ancient Sumerian Dark Lord of Chaos"?

Of course, she could also possibly have been an NPC from Morrowind...

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This just goes to show: if you're getting to the point that you can't stand your kid and you think you might lose control, hand them off to a friend or even the social worker instead.

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Unless, of course, your local hardware store is having a sale on axes that is too good to pass up. Hell, this mother was loving enough to try also buying a teddy bear for her infant. But she didn't have enough money to buy both...

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Her confession doesn't match up to the symptoms of postpartum depression.


Doesn't matter to me. I cannot let my primal emotions cloud my judgement by screaming, "EYE FOR AN EYE" over and over again.

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Crack does tend to make you a bit crazy.

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Kyeimah is the type of name you'd expect a mother high on crack to come up with.

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It doesn't matter to me if the woman was mentally competent or not when she killed her child -- I would still be against a death sentence.

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With all the crack whores with their crack babies I'm suprised this has only happened once.

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It doesn't matter to me if the woman was mentally competent or not when she killed her child -- I would still be against a death sentence.


Even if keeping her alive meant taking away the taxpayer's money?

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Yes -- because IMO, using taxpayer's money to avoid the barbaric pratice of capital punishment is a lesser evil to preserve a greater good. In this case, the greater good is being a more civilized nation rather than praticing "eye for an eye."

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Let me know if this sounds like taking my position to too far of an extreme, but capital punishment could be seen as a cultural pratice that belongs with other uncivilized pratices found in primitive cultures, such as cannabalism, human sacrifice, infanticide, and so forth.

Is that too extreme of an argument for my position?

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How the hell does a piece of **** mother have a crack baby and not get the child taken away?

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Let me know if this sounds like taking my position to too far of an extreme, but capital punishment could be seen as a cultural pratice that belongs with other uncivilized pratices found in primitive cultures, such as cannabalism, human sacrifice, infanticide, and so forth.

Is that too extreme of an argument for my position?


Yes.

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Ok, why would that be too much of an extreme of an argument for my position? Where is the fallacy?

I guess I'm testing an argument for my anti-capital punishment position because I have not thought of this particular argument before.

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Yes -- because IMO, using taxpayer's money to avoid the barbaric pratice of capital punishment is a lesser evil to preserve a greater good. In this case, the greater good is being a more civilized nation rather than praticing "eye for an eye."


Let's assume that this mother has absolutely no chance of improving and becoming a real person. Why should she drain on the tax payer's money? Why should a murderer, drug-addict, be kept alive, and drain on the efforts of some family in suburban America, with nice and kind people? Why should she live?

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Ok, why would that be too much of an extreme of an argument for my position? Where is the fallacy?

I guess I'm testing an argument for my anti-capital punishment position because I have not thought of this particular argument before.


It's stupid to compare human sacrifice to capital punishment. There is a large difference between killing innocent people in a cruel way, and killing mass-murderers in a pain-free way.

 
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