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Drake Tungsten
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Knee deep in alien womyn...
Oct 2001
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Except for the Congressional and Senate seats, and knowing that you don;t vote republican, one must assume you, well, don't vote. |
I voted for Hagel, who's a Republican. Then again, I also voted for Nelson, who's a Democrat. For the House, I voted for Bereuter, who's a Republican. That's hardly surprising though, as he was our representative for as long as I can remember. I'm not even sure he had any real competition against him the times I voted. I've never voted for a Republican presidential candidate. And all the other races are non-partisan, except Governor and maybe Attorney General. Of course, I voted against Republican Mike Johanns for Governor and Republican Don Stenburg for AG because I hate those asshats.
Anyway, you can hardly say I "vote Republican." Sorry to burst your ill-informed bubble...
Last edited by Drake Tungsten on 21-06-2005 at 11:11
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Drake Tungsten
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Knee deep in alien womyn...
Oct 2001
time: 14:35
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Apparently Secretary of State, State Auditor and State Treasurer are the other partisan offices in Nebraska. Please excuse me for not remembering the party affiliation of the person I voted for in the Nebraska Secretary of State race in 2000...
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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Colossal? Drake, it'll be forgotten in a month. |
So true. It's practically forgotten now. Despite attempts by some to manufacture a "colossal" blunder, this just ain't it. It does reek of desperation from the Republicans, however. They've been getting hammered all over the map lately, so they're clawing at Durbin's comments as a chance to change the tied. Kinda pathetic, actually.
And hypocritical, considering what Republicans have said in the past:
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Questions of hypocrisy in Republican attacks on senator who raised Nazis in Guantanamo comparison
John Byrne
GOP has used Nazi, Hitler references on stem cells, abortion, taxes and the environment
An array of senior Republican officials and activists—including the Bush-Cheney 2004 campaign—have invoked Hitler or Nazi references, raising questions of hypocrisy for recent attacks on Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) for referencing “Nazi” tactics at Guantanamo Bay, RAW STORY has found.
Republicans criticized a speech that Durbin made recently in the Senate citing mistreatment of prisoners at Guantanamo, calling on the Illinois senator to apologize. Durbin read from an FBI email which complained about “torture techniques” used at the facilities, saying "you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags or some mad regime — Pol Pot or others — that had no concern for human beings."
Durbin’s remarks were quickly snapped up by conservatives and the media.
But senior Republicans—including Chairman of the Republican National Committee Ken Mehlman—have not apologized, and have in fact defended, comparisons of Democrats to Nazis in the past.
Last June, then-Bush campaign manager Mehlman defended an ad that contained footage of Adolf Hitler interspersed with images of Democratic leaders Al Gore, Dick Gephart and John Kerry. The campaign defended the images, saying they were taken from a video on MoveOn.org.
Mehlman said it was used "to show the depths to which these Kerry supporters will sink to win." The video was later removed.
Mehlman is not alone. A raft of Republicans in Congress have invoked Hitler and Nazism on issues from stem cell research, to abortion, to taxes and the environment.
White House confidante Grover Norquist, known for his blistering attacks on U.S. taxes, likened the estate tax to the “morality of the Holocaust” in October 2003.
"The argument that some who play to the politics of hate and envy and class division will say is, 'Well, that's only 2 percent -- or, as people get richer, 5 percent, in the near future -- of Americans likely to have to pay [the estate tax],” he told NPR. “I mean, that's the morality of the Holocaust: 'Oh, it's only a small percentage. It's not you; it's somebody else.’”
After being criticized for his remarks, Norquist expanded them in 2004 to include Democrats.
"The Nazis were for gun control, the Nazis were for high marginal tax rates.... Do you want to talk about who's closer politically to national socialism, the Right or the Left?" he told the Jewish newspaper The Forward. He also "told the Forward that he would not hesitate to use Holocaust comparisons in the future."
A Republican senator invoked Nazism when criticizing stem cell research last year.
"We certainly have all seen the rejections of Nazi Germany's abuses of science,” Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL) declared regarding his opposition to stem cell research last October. “As a society and a nation, there ought to be some limit on what we can allow or should allow."
In response to a ruling on abortion last September, Congressman Steve King said following law on reproductive rights equivalent to a Nazi guard saying he was following orders.
“That, Mr. Speaker, is a ‘modern-day’ equivalent of the Nazi prison guard saying 'I was just following orders,’” he said on the House floor Sept. 8, 2004. “It was all legal in Nazi Germany at the time.”
Another senator even compared the Kyoto climate treaty to Nazism, repeating a quotation from a Russian official.
Sen. James Inhofe said Oct. 11, 2004 that Kyoto "would deal a powerful blow on the whole humanity similar to the one humanity experienced when Nazism and communism flourished."
The Oklahoma Republican added, "The world has certainly turned on its head that we Americans must look to Russians for speaking out strongly against irrational authoritarian ideologies."
Sen. Tom Cole (R-OK) dragged out Hitler to hit Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry.
"Cole Claims a Vote Against Bush Is a Vote For Hitler," KTOK radio in Oklahoma blared last year.
"Republican Congressman Tom Cole claims a vote against the ‘re-election’ of President Bush is like supporting Adolph Hitler during World War Two,” the station reported. “It's what he said recently before a meeting of Canadian County Republicans."
Cole later codified his statement, saying through a spokesperson: "What do you think Hitler would have thought if Roosevelt would've lost the election in 1944?”
Others, too, have likened Democratic policy to Nazism. Sen. Phil Gramm (R-TX) compared a Democratic tax plan to Nazi law in 2002.
"Now, forgive me, but that is right out of Nazi Germany,” Gramm said. “I don't understand ... why all of a sudden we are passing laws that sound as if they are right out of Nazi Germany."
And just last month, Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) compared Democrats with Adolf Hitler during the filibuster battle.
"Imagine, the rule that this is the way we confirm judges has been in place for 214 years, broken by the other side 2 years ago, and the audacity of some Members to stand up and say, How dare you break this rule, it is the equivalent of Adolf Hitler in 1942 saying: I'm in Paris, how dare you invade me, how dare you bomb my city. It's mine," Santorum said May 19. "This is no more the rule of the Senate than it was the rule of the Senate before not to filibuster."
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Each and every one of those comments goes well beyond what Durbin said in terms of taste and decency. Where was the GOP outrage then?
And now conservatives are agreeing with Durbin:
http://www.andrewsullivan.com/index...929946887774399
Face it: This is nothing more than the GOP throwing a hissy fit in an attempt to deflect attention from their abysmal performance.
It's also, shamefully, deflecting attention from the real issue, which is the content of the FBI report Durbin quoted.
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Berzerker
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topeka, kansas,USA
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time: 23:35
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Ned, there is another way to look at this. This is not a battle between nations, it is a battle between ideologies.
1) Dissent - vocal and even exagerated - shows why our system is more desirable than Muslim dictatorships where dissent is met with harshly.
2) Acknowledging abuses is essential to convincing potential enemies we are not approving of such conduct.
3) One reason (I believe) we haven't seen much of an uprising within the Muslim fundie community is because we do self-analyse, speak out, and try to fix problems. Once we stop doing this, potential enemies become real enemies.
He went overboard with his comments and that will be used against us, but it will also be used by us. If we appear too fanatical, too much in agreement about everything the leadership is doing, then I'd start worrying and I'm not even a Muslim fanatic.
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Drake Tungsten
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Knee deep in alien womyn...
Oct 2001
time: 14:35
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Durbin apologizes...
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Durbin apologizes for Gitmo remarks
The Senate's No. 2 Democrat apologized Thursday for remarks comparing the treatment of detainees at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp to methods used by the Nazis, Soviets and other repressive regimes.
Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois said he "never intended any disrespect" to U.S. troops with his June 14 comments, for which the minority whip has endured a week of criticism from Republicans and some Democrats.
"In the end, I don't want anything in my public career to detract from my love for this country, my respect for those who serve it, and this great Senate," Durbin said in an emotional statement on the Senate floor.
"I offer my apologies to those that were offended by my words." |
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But Durbin said Tuesday he had erred by invoking the specter of the Holocaust, which he called "the greatest moral tragedy of our time."
"Nothing should ever be said to demean or diminish that moral tragedy," Durbin said. "I'm also sorry if anything I said, in any way, cast a negative light on our fine men and women in the military." |
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06...rbin/index.html
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