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I mean it. The civilized world needs to invade Saudi Arabia or better yet nuke it from orbit since it is the source of most of the world's terrorist ideology, much of the terrorists bomb money, and huge numbers of terrorists. Not only are most Al Qaeda members we know about Saudi but the number one source for Islamic terrorist funds come from Saudi Arabia and most of the foreign fighters killed or captured in Iraq are Saudis. Saudi Aradia is a deeply evil society just like Nazi Germany was and it wants to export it's ideology of death and dustruction for the nonmuslim world and even for the nonfundimentalist muslim world.

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Who are the foreign fighters in Iraq?
An NBC News analysis finds 55 percent hail from Saudi Arabia

An NBC News analysis of hundreds of foreign fighters who died in Iraq over the last two years reveals that a majority came from the same country as most of the 9/11 hijackers — Saudi Arabia.

Among the suicide bombers was Ahmed al-Ghamdi, a one-time medical student and son of a Saudi diplomat. In December 2004, he climbed into a truck in Mosul and blew himself up.

On an Internet video, another Saudi says goodbye to his mother, then drives an ambulance full of explosives into a building.

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They are among more than 400 militants from 21 countries whose deaths were celebrated on Islamic Web sites over the last two years.

"By far the nationality that comes up over and over again is Saudi Arabia," says Evan Kohlmann, an NBC News terrorism expert.

The NBC News analysis of Web site postings found that 55 percent of foreign insurgents came from Saudi Arabia, 13 percent from Syria, 9 percent from North Africa and 3 percent from Europe.

The U.S. military also says Saudi Arabia and Syria are the leading sources of insurgents. An Army official provided a list of the top 10 countries to NBC News but would not release the numbers of foreign fighters from each. The top 10, alphabetically, are: Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Lebanon, the Palestinian territories, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia and Yemen.

"You have some from poor families, some jobless," says Kohlmann. "You also have individuals that come from wealthy families, that come from a life of privilege and substance and material goods and material wealth."

Why do they go?

Saudis captured in Iraq say it's because of pictures on Arab television network Al-Jazeera.

"We saw the Americans massacring the Iraqis," says one Saudi prisoner in Iraq via translation.

Radical Saudi clerics urge them to go to Iraq to kill Americans.

"I read the communique of the 26 clerics," says another Saudi prisoner in Iraq.

Saudi officials insist they've made great strides in the war on terror and are doing everything possible to stop men from going to Iraq.

"When we have the evidence, we arrest those people and we put them in jail and take them to court because this is illegal," says Mansour al-Turki, spokesman for the Saudi Ministry of the Interior.

Monday night, a senior Saudi official expressed skepticism — especially about the Internet eulogies of slain fighters — saying he won't believe that many Saudis have died in Iraq until he sees the DNA evidence to prove it.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8293410/

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I wonder what will happen once American troops enter Mecca...

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We could just irradiate it.

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Oh, of course, cause killing hundreds of thousands and irridiating the Holiest of Holies of Islam is just the way to win....



Why do you make troll threads like this, anyways? What's the point?

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I wonder what these Suadi volunteers think about blowing up Shia mosques? Are they really cruising for an inter-national religious civil war?

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Given that you can't even pacify a poorer and less fanatical bunch of Arabs, I think this would be a dumb idea.

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I think we need to be prepared for Saudi to go (more) fundy. Don't think we can trust them.

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I think we need to be prepared for Saudi to go (more) fundy. Don't think we can trust them.

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I think we need to be prepared for Saudi to go (more) fundy. Don't think we can trust them.


There'll be jack you can do about it if they do anyway, so that's wasted effort.

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There's not much we can do, but we should do what we can.

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There's not much we can do, but we should do what we can.


Like what? Draft dumb Okies over there to get shot at?

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dumb Okies


Redundant.

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Are you worried about terrorism? If Islamists take control of Saudi Arabia they'll have exactly what they want and will have done exactly what 9/11 was intended to accomplish.

Why the hell do you think they attacked you anyway?

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It will take a lot of bloody work, but that's not predominately what I'm talking about. We should be looking for ways to devalue the Saudi reserves. I don't want our way of life dictated by fundies.

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We aren't going to let the terrorists hold any country, except the ones we don't want to invade.

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OMG, Oerdin is teh Vast Right Wing Conspiracist!

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It will take a lot of bloody work, but that's not predominately what I'm talking about. We should be looking for ways to devalue the Saudi reserves.


Why? Even if an Islamist government takes over, who else are they going to sell their oil to? They need to eat. They might bullshit about raising the price of oil, but they know that they can't afford to be ridiculous about it without undercutting their own position.

Last time I looked, eating sand didn't work.

Saddam Hussein was selling you oil up until you invaded his country. He had no alternative.

Why do you persist with these insane fantasies about the way the world works?

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We aren't going to let the terrorists hold any country, except the ones we don't want to invade.


You have no choice. The United States has been exposed by the Iraq war. As long as that war persists, you will not be able to recruit enough soldiers to intervene anywhere else without instituting a draft, and a draft is political poison.

If they take SA, then they win this one.

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The Iranians caused us lots of long-term oil supply problems. The Saudis are a tougher nut to crack.

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But there is no reason to think an Islamist victory in SA is imminent, so why care at all?

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The Iranians caused us lots of long-term oil supply problems. The Saudis are a tougher nut to crack.


Again, what are they going to eat? That country exists on its oil exports. Without them they don't have jack to eat. They can't but sell it to the highest bidder. This "oil weapon" stuff is pure fantasy. There are far too many people living and eating in SA now for it to be effective.

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Even if not imminent, the risk is non-zero.

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If you want to guarantee your oil supply, you need money. Even mortal enemies of the US like Saddam Hussein wilt in the face of money. If they didn't, their people would overthrow them after missing a couple of meals.

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Even if not imminent, the risk is non-zero.


Risk of what?

THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO STOP SELLING THEIR OIL TO YOU OR ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS THE MONEY!!!!

Fact.

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Again, what are they going to eat?


I hear you, but some fundy administrations in the past have acted irrationally, at least in large part. They could act to push up the price now, even though that is not in their long-term interest.

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EVEN IRAN HAS NO CHOICE. WHAT ELSE ARE THEY GOING TO SELL?

RUGS?!??!?!?!

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I hear you, but some fundy administrations in the past have acted irrationally, at least in large part. They could act to push up the price now, even though that is not in their long-term interest.


Not half as irrationally as the population of SA will when they miss a couple of feeds.

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At this point, Saudi Arabia would only have to drop production a couple million barrels a day and the world would be in recession, dude.

No Saudi would starve in this scenario, although their long-term interests wouldn't be served. In the short term, Saudi Arabia might even be better off.

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At this point, Saudi Arabia would only have to drop production a couple million barrels a day and the world would be in recession, dude.

No Saudi would starve in this scenario, although their long-term interests wouldn't be served. In the short term, Saudi Arabia might even be better off.


And there you have it. The increased price would make alternative sources more affordable, and that would screw up SA for ever.

Don't make the mistake of thinking the Islamists are stupid. They aren't. Their whole project of revitalizing the Islamic (well, really the Arab) world would be imperiled by such a move.

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And there you have it. The increased price would make alternative sources more affordable, and that would screw up SA for ever.


You know that and I know that. But that's a reasonably long-term process. They might want to stick it to the infidel for a while in the meantime.

 
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