25-06-2005 03:06									#31
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005...ain702487.shtml

That's a CBS poll conducted on the 16th of this month showing just 42% approved of Bush's performance. Any way you look at this Bush is a very unpopular person and people are even more angry with the Congress.

	25-06-2005 03:07									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Then maybe you would be interested in nation wide figures which show Bush is the least popular second term President ever? No.

	25-06-2005 03:10									#33
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That's ok. Other people will be interested so I'll post them any way.

	25-06-2005 03:12									#34
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Masturbation

	25-06-2005 03:19									#35
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For someone who's not interested you're sure posting a lot.

	25-06-2005 03:36									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Shh, that's just what he wants you to think. He's really planning to abolish the 22nd amendment,

Go ahead. Were this the case, we would see Bill Clinton's term number 3 start Jan. 20, 2009. Good luck getting him out of the White House ever again.

	25-06-2005 03:48									#37
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quote: Go ahead. Were this the case, we would see Bill Clinton's term number 3 start Jan. 20, 2009. Good luck getting him out of the White House ever again.

Bill Clinton's welcome to try. Of course, he'd have to have his good buddy Ross Perot tag along.

	25-06-2005 03:51									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Bill Clinton's welcome to try. Of course, he'd have to have his good buddy Ross Perot tag along.

Do you really think that Bush II would beat Bill Clinton?

	25-06-2005 03:51									#39
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On related news, Arnie's poll numbers in CA are also abysmal. His term as been more "Eraser" than "Terminator" in terms of success:

Field Poll (PDF). 6/13-19. MoE 3.2% (Feb 2005 results)

Scharzenegger's approval rating
Approve 37 (53)
Disapprove 53 (35)

So he's sunk 16 points in 4 months, while his disapproval rating has shot up 18 points. Ouch. This is, btw, where Gray Davis was in the polls when he got ousted.

Reelection is going to be a major uphill battle for Arnie. Looks like the GOP hold on the CA governor's mansion will be very short-lived.

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Didn't I already post that?

	25-06-2005 03:55									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Bill Clinton's welcome to try. Of course, he'd have to have his good buddy Ross Perot tag along.

Once again, you demonstrate your utter ignorance of American politics.

Clinton is still quite popular--far more so than Bush is at the moment. Clinton left office with 60% approval ratings. Bush is sunk at 43%. Bush also has the baggage of Iraq, which at the moment is disapproved of by 60% of the populace. On top of all that, Clinton has more charisma in his pinky than Bush could ever dream of.

Also, Perot wasn't responsible for Clinton getting elected. I schooled someone else on this just a short while ago. Exit poll breakdowns showed that, had Perot not been in the race, Clinton still would have won comfortably. Contrary to Republican propaganda, Perot drew support equally from both sides:

http://www.fairvote.org/plurality/perot.htm

	25-06-2005 04:18									#42
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Arnie is going to have a hard time staying in office and most of his proposals for reforming hte state are likely going to fail. I actually liked Arnie's idea for taking redistricting out of the hands of politicians. I'm not sure if it will pass though since it is so closely tied to Arnie personally and people just aren't feeling the love for him they used to have.

	25-06-2005 04:30									#43
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quote: For someone who's not interested you're sure posting a lot.

He's bored. He can only

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so many times in one day.

	25-06-2005 04:46									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin For someone who's not interested you're sure posting a lot.

I'm bored.

	25-06-2005 04:52									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Arnie has been steadily losing popularity because he hasn't been able to deliver on a lot of his promises. Over all he's a step up from Davis but not a huge one.

Davis couldn't fix the budget problem and took lots of special interest money.

Arnold can't fix the budget problem and takes lots and lots and lots of special interest money.

Arnold is hitching his wagon to his $80 million dollar special election. Few of the measures have anything to do with the budget; rather, they're an attack on the Democrats. Since he first announced his plans to have this election, his popularity has been dropping about 5% a month. It's now below 40%, and polls show that most Californians are opposed to the very idea of this special election.

	25-06-2005 05:08									#46
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It would be nice if the two parties could learn to work together once in a while. Arnold's special election will be expensive and it is mainly just designed to try and hurt the other side. If Arnold spent half the time he spent thinking up his special election on actually trying to work with the State Legislature then we could have actually solved a few of this state's problems.

	25-06-2005 05:33									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Masturbation

So that's why you have all those bathrooms.

	25-06-2005 05:34									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin To take one of the highest approval ratings and to turn it into one of the lowest approval ratings ever recorded is really something.

History repeats itself. IIRC, his daddy did exactly the same thing in the follow up to Gulf War 1.

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quote: Originally posted by Theben So that's why you have all those bathrooms.

No wonder his mom can't clean them without his permission .

	25-06-2005 05:44									#50
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No wonder she has to clean them so much. Yech.

	25-06-2005 07:03									#51
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On a related note, has anyone ever seen Whoops Apolcalypse?

With his poll numbers plummeting Bush seems just like Johnny Cyclops and Blair seems to think that he's Superman.

	25-06-2005 07:18									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Ultraviolet What America needs right now is a good capitalist president that isn't a Republican...if only the Libertarians had the ballots...

What was Kerry? Chopped liver?

	25-06-2005 07:33									#53
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No.

Chopped liver, for all its faults, has charisma, and probably would've been a better nominee.

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Clinton is still quite popular--far more so than Bush is at the moment. Clinton left office with 60% approval ratings. Bush is sunk at 43%. Bush also has the baggage of Iraq, which at the moment is disapproved of by 60% of the populace. On top of all that, Clinton has more charisma in his pinky than Bush could ever dream of.

I laughed at that too.

What doesn't often get said is that Clinton was never more popular than when the repugs went after him over Lewinsky. Most people thought that it was bad form on Clinton's part, but sided with him because the opportunism of the Republicans was so much worse and cancelled out Clinton's character flaws several times over.

IIRC his poll numbers bear this out.

It's a conspiracy of the liberal media that Lewinsky wrecked Clinton's presidency. In fact it was a quietly successful presidency. So was Bush I. Bush I was just too much of an old style responsible politician to beat a more charismatic man (imagine raising taxes because it was the right thing to do). As I've said before, I have little time for Bush I's politics, but let no one ever say that I don't respect the man. He fundamentally knew what he was doing.

Bush II doesn't have the faintest idea of what he's doing and is quickly driving the world into a political crisis.

	25-06-2005 08:07									#55
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quote: Clinton's character flaws

What character flaws?

IIRC you are correctomundo, Agathon. If not increase, I don't remember them decreasing. They were sky high. Bush can't touch that. How many peacetime Presidents had consistently high ratings as high as Clinton?

	25-06-2005 09:20									#56
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If this is any indication, antiwar groups in Berkeley and San Francisco haven't marched in town in over a year since almsot everyone agrees. Instead, they're sending people out to the Central Valley and beyond to picket recruiting stations.

	25-06-2005 09:28									#57
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quote: What character flaws?

Most people regard chronic skirt chasing as a character flaw. The exceptions are usually the chronic skirt chasers.

	25-06-2005 09:28									#58
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo quote: Originally posted by Ultraviolet What America needs right now is a good capitalist president that isn't a Republican...if only the Libertarians had the ballots... What was Kerry? Chopped liver?

You mean the capitalist who thought Canada had enough drugs to supply everyone in the US who wants cheap prescriptions?



What a moron.

	25-06-2005 09:32									#59
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quote: Do you really think that Bush II would beat Bill Clinton?

Considering that Bush beat out Kerry who got a higher percentage of the vote than Bill Clinton ever got, yes I do believe he wins in a two party race.

	25-06-2005 09:35									#60
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I've been transferring VHS tapes onto DVD, and I actually happened to run across an old debate from Bush v. Perot v. Clinton - it was a town hall. Fascinating stuff - and it was so obvious that Clinton with his charisma manhandled the other two. He's a political monster when his machine is well-oiled.

That last part didn't come out quite right.