03-07-2005 04:39									#1
	July 3 and July 4 Got spare money?

Tomorrow is the anniversary of two decisive victories in favor of freedom and republic democracy.

At Vicksburg, Confederate officer Pemberton offered Grant his surrender on July 3, with the terms of surrender completed the next day on Independence Day.

Also on July 3 Union forces defeated General Lee's Confederate forces in Pennsylvania at Gettysburg.

And on July 4 this year, let us also never forget the great risks that English Americans took when they declared their independence from Great Britain in 1776.


The American Revolution created a republic that brought to the world a government that was antithetical to governments in Europe at the time that relied on "divine right of monarchs."

The Union victory in the American Civil War determined that slavery would no longer exist in a republic democracy and had shown that like the Founding Fathers of the Revolution, Abraham Lincoln, and his numerous supporters, believed that freedom could only exist with strong unity.

	03-07-2005 04:47									#2
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The Great Patriotic War of the States
Pwning the British in the Revolutionary War
Pwning the Nazis alongside the British

	03-07-2005 04:51									#3
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This Union soldier knew which side in the Civil War was in favor of freedom.

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	03-07-2005 04:59									#4
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun This Union soldier knew which side in the Civil War was in favor of freedom.

Umm, I'm guessing the Confederacy?

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Why don't you get off the War Between The States kick?
July 4th hasn't got sh1t to do with it.
Hell, bring up Gay Pride. Fits just as unwell.

	03-07-2005 06:02									#6
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I think July 3 and July 4 should be celebrated to remember those two pivotal victories of the Civil War just as much as we remember the American Revolution on July 4.

To me, freedom and union go hand-in-hand and that is why I personally celebrate July 3 and July 4.

Of course, I could ask you why don't you get off the "Lost Cause" myth kick.

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Happy 4th July guys! It's now 87 years since the Glorius Communist People's Revolution killed the Merciless Capitalist Imperialist Pig Nicholas II.

Let the People Celebrate!

	03-07-2005 06:08									#8
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To you my ass. It's different things.
You want to celebrate a battle where thousands died, for no reason?
Give me a break, and give it a rest.

	03-07-2005 06:14									#9
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I'm not celebrating it for no reason -- the United States has survived as a republic democracy because of the Union victory in the Civil War.

	03-07-2005 06:23									#10
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Ah, yes! Sherman's war against the civilian population was a great celebration of Freedom and war crimes.

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Or how about the massacre at Ft. Pillow, DD?

Both sides have their fair share of war crimes -- more so with the Confederacy when it came to killing captured black Union soldiers.

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Sometimes in total war, harsh measures have to be taken -- could we have won World War II without bombing German cities filled with civilians?

I would not want to reverse time, and give Hitler any chance by trying to refrain from such bombings to find out.

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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand You want to celebrate a battle where thousands died, for no reason?

Well, it gave a back drop for an excellent movie starring Clint Eastwood

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shown here..moment of mercy

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	03-07-2005 06:51									#15
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oh and almost forgot

one suck-@$$ movie

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	03-07-2005 07:04									#16
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MrFun, beyond any southerner I've met, you have a total inability to give up the civil war.

You don't need to fight any more, Yankee. It ended 150 years ago.

When we rise again, I'll call you and let you know to get back to the Union cheerleading

	03-07-2005 07:11									#17
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell MrFun, beyond any southerner I've met, you have a total inability to give up the civil war. You don't need to fight any more, Yankee. It ended 150 years ago. When we rise again, I'll call you and let you know to get back to the Union cheerleading

Indeed sir, Indeed...

	03-07-2005 07:24									#18
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Actually, here is a picture maybe most have not seen

Colonel Jeb Stuart, hearing his Calvary could surprise and overtake the Union Army at Annandale,Virginia attack En Masse'

Later, as the Confederate Calvary lie dying, it was recorded and save on archived print to a truth in reporting:

Sgt. Simple Southerner we rode hard and we had 400 or more Calvary..we run over dat dar heel and we just nu we had dem Yankee B@$t@rd$, but it was too late..dem Yankees had set a trap

Billy Blue Coat yes sir ee...we heard them southern boys, them Confederate boys ah coming, yup..instead of only one of us, we sent 2 yankees..caught all them southerners by surprise!!

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	03-07-2005 08:12									#19
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell MrFun, beyond any southerner I've met, you have a total inability to give up the civil war. You don't need to fight any more, Yankee. It ended 150 years ago. When we rise again, I'll call you and let you know to get back to the Union cheerleading

Fine -- you stop remembering World War I and World War II. If you want, you can stop treasuring the victories of the good in ALL of our wars.

In the meantime, I will do my share of celebrating the preservation of the United States and solemnly remember the Union soldiers who gave their lives for their country.

	03-07-2005 08:24									#20
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Fine -- you stop remembering World War I and World War II. If you want, you can stop treasuring the victories of the good in ALL of our wars. In the meantime, I will do my share of celebrating the preservation of the United States and solemnly remember the Union soldiers who gave their lives for their country.

Lest we forget

	03-07-2005 08:40									#21
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Aside: I'm curious why was the fourth decided as the holiday. From what I've read "the president" of the originial continental congress signed the declaration of independence on the third. Then it was sent out to be embossed most of the signatures weren't affixed until August.

So my question is when was the 4th decided as the holiday.

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quote: Originally posted by Moral Hazard Aside: I'm curious why was the fourth decided as the holiday. From what I've read "the president" of the originial continental congress signed the declaration of independence on the third. Then it was sent out to be embossed most of the signatures weren't affixed until August. So my question is when was the 4th decided as the holiday.

maybe it was prorated?

even though it took that long they may have decided to make it retro-active from the 4th?

	03-07-2005 08:44									#23
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But folks, honestly, Im having a little fun here...

I am glad I am an American but could give a rats arse what happened since Im here now and love both north and south

Gramps

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	03-07-2005 08:48									#24
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Ah, yes, July 4. Independence Day. A perfect time to bring up the Civil War.

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quote: Originally posted by DanS Ah, yes, July 4. Independence Day. A perfect time to bring up the Civil War.

Yes Dan the Band wagon slowed and a few got on

“I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

Indeed we declared Independance from England

probably because of the hot tea issue

~yuck~

	03-07-2005 08:55									#26
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USA! USA! USA!

AMERICA RULES!

P.S I'm serious. I love this country.

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quote: Originally posted by DanS Ah, yes, July 4. Independence Day. A perfect time to bring up the Civil War.

How bad is your reading comprehension? In the OP, I already explained how July 4 is related to the Civil War, and why I personally also celebrate July 3.

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The irony is most humourous though.

	03-07-2005 09:42									#29
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He's actually Saturday Night Live's Debbie Downer!

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	03-07-2005 09:43									#30
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And here's to our kick-ass revolution that let the world know that "divine right of monarchs" was/is bullsh!t.

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