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Dec 2002
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Originally posted by Ted Striker
I'm proud of you guys, you haven't mentioned the 1812 War thingie this time.   |
The 1812 thingie is just more nationalistic, a-historical garbage.
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Don't worry. The USA interned hundreds of Japanese-Americans during WW2 under the assumption that they were Imperial Japanese spies. But the USA has fortunately decided to gloss over that part of it's kind and "liberator of the oppressed" history. |
No it hasn't. Anyone who went to high school (and has a brain) in the US past 1960 knows this fact well. People in Canada know the US did this as well, however (shockingly), more and more are completely unaware that their own country did the same thing as well. The same people are also unlikely to know that Canada has had slavery, is imperialist (Quebec, First Nations), has engaged in cultural genocide (residential schools), etc, etc...
Nothing against this country at all, its just that the "golden boy" image it purports is getting old and it seems likely that closet skeletons are going to bite the national character in the ass sooner or later.
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What's really funny is that he's an ex-pat American who is banging the 'I'm not American' drum. |
Is that true? I didn't know that. You know, that really sickens me to the bone. As an ex-pat American myself (living in Canada for many years) nothing grates on my nerves more than whiny self-loathing Americans who cut and run with little to no knowledge of the country they're headed to - as is clearly the case with John "Head up his ass" Chuckman, so eagerly willing to lick the bums of his new Canadian daddies. Everytime I meet one of these loser Americans up here congradulating me on living in a country with "no guns and no racism!" I want to punch them. That kind of ignorance is an insult to the real problems that ordinary Canadians face everyday. And whats worse is Canadians are starting to believe this crap!
[Just to be clear I left the US in the middle of the Clinton years, when everything was hunky-dory, and with no hard feelings. There were absolutely no politics involved in my decision.]
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I owe..I owe..it's off to work I go
Jul 2000
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Nope, he's a dyed in the wool capitalist.
And props to Grandpa Troll for having family in PEI, and Canadian relatives. |
Ya know Ben, I grew up in Maine, in early '60's in Aroostook county near Quebec (prounounced KaBek) and in 70's in Calais (not french like Calay but more like Callus) across from New Brunswick (St Stephen)
I lived with the Sons of Satan MC from New Brunswick or Noveua Brunswick when I was 16 and have a lot of friends up there..
I joke they joke back but for real, in the country, the deep woods where I am from, a man is judged on his manhood, what he stands for not the color of his flag or citizenship..
I sometimes pick on my french relatives but it is out of humor
if someone cant stand being the butt of a joke then find another country where no one has a sense of humor
And remember, dun ya go outside when its -50 degrees without yer Tuke, aye!
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JimmyCracksCorn
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Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker
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You surprise me sometimes, KH. You're supposed to be a Socialiast and yet you constantly go around touting this "kiss me I'm Canadian" jingoistic attitude - something I know a good friend of mine (a very active Socialist) would crucify you for. Do you do this out of bitterness of having to live in the US, or do you truly buy into this whitewashed, "golden boy" image of Canadian history? |
KH isn't a socialist... |
KH has claimed to be a socialist in the past, unless his views have changed recently.
I distinctly remember the death of Pierre Berton and KH saying it was his work that made him turn to socialism.
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Kontiki
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Aug 2001
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I think KH is an NDP supporter, but not a "socialist" in the quasi-communist mold. Could be wrong, though.
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JimmyCracksCorn
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Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
time: 05:19
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Originally posted by Kontiki
I think KH is an NDP supporter, but not a "socialist" in the quasi-communist mold. Could be wrong, though. |
Most socialists I know support the NDP electorally since they're the closest thing to a socialist party with any real chance of gaining seats in the House.
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Aug 2001
time: 22:19
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Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
The 1812 thingie is just more nationalistic, a-historical garbage. |
I see. Then I suppose much of what is said about the defeat of the British when the US gained independence is 'nationalistic, a-historical garbage'.
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No it hasn't. Anyone who went to high school (and has a brain) in the US past 1960 knows this fact well. People in Canada know the US did this as well, however (shockingly), more and more are completely unaware that their own country did the same thing as well. The same people are also unlikely to know that Canada has had slavery, is imperialist (Quebec, First Nations), has engaged in cultural genocide (residential schools), etc, etc...
Nothing against this country at all, its just that the "golden boy" image it purports is getting old and it seems likely that closet skeletons are going to bite the national character in the ass sooner or later. |
As KH said, very bitter.
You can provide facts to support your contention that Canadians are by and large unaware of how Japanese-Canadians were treated? You can do the same as regards residential schools? Yes? Or are you just ranting?
As for imperialism and slavery, those things are part of our history and nobody denies them, either. But we are unlikely to flagellate ourselves for things done in or by the British Empire prior to ourselves having any say in the matter.
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Is that true? I didn't know that. You know, that really sickens me to the bone. As an ex-pat American myself (living in Canada for many years) nothing grates on my nerves more than whiny self-loathing Americans who cut and run with little to no knowledge of the country they're headed to - as is clearly the case with John "Head up his ass" Chuckman, so eagerly willing to lick the bums of his new Canadian daddies. Everytime I meet one of these loser Americans up here congradulating me on living in a country with "no guns and no racism!" I want to punch them. That kind of ignorance is an insult to the real problems that ordinary Canadians face everyday. And whats worse is Canadians are starting to believe this crap!
[Just to be clear I left the US in the middle of the Clinton years, when everything was hunky-dory, and with no hard feelings. There were absolutely no politics involved in my decision.] |
The only person who has demonstrated ignorance here, Jimmy, is you. Canadians by and large are fairly well informed about our own warts. If that crap you quoted in the OP were really written by a Canadian, most of us would laugh at him.
That doesn't mean that many Canadians do not feel a certain sense of accomplishment for the good things that we have done, but even that doesn't stop us from ripping on ourselves and each other a great deal, as you should be aware of if you paid any attention to many of the Canuck threads.
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JimmyCracksCorn
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Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
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Guys, this thread is aimed at Canada because of the article. I could easily make the same arguments against any other country (that I'm reasonably familiar with, that is).
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I see. Then I suppose much of what is said about the defeat of the British when the US gained independence is 'nationalistic, a-historical garbage'. |
You prove my point. Think about it.
KH: Yes, I've seen that on TV many times. That one isn't bad, but doesn't go into it beyond the fact that many Chinese died building the railways. But frankly most of those "Heritage Moments" make me sick. I'll try to find some of them...
Honestly, guys. Where's your sense of decency? A Heritage commercial can't make up for the atrocities that have been commited against so many minority groups throughout Canadian history. And neither will a smug attitude.
All I'm saying is that much more can be done to raise awareness in this country and people like John Chuckman are moving us backwards in that respect. And don't try to construe what I'm saying as "Canada is teh ev1l!", because its not... I'm arguing that Canada's record is no worse than other like-countries, but certainly no better either.
As far as being bitter... nah, I'm not. My academic speciality is in aboriginal and minority rights with a focus on Canada. My attitude is far from being bitter, rather I think its informed, respectful and non-complacent.
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