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tlustoch, Last_Evolution, or blockhead. Lately, he's logged in here as ibeateveryone.

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roads are useless now stfu noob


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BTW that guy really thinks roads are useless, but his expierence has shown him that factions building roads fare better.
So he has taken up Pirates for the reason they can live without roads..

Already won him twice with this "new strategy", one time outbuilding, the other by mid-game momentum.

Ahh and he also disregards crawlers..

Some people never learn..


and this is my post 3000..

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The informational content has been posted in link form in Vel's compendium and my primer.

Realistically the arguements to advance planned over FM depends greatly on proximity to nearest neighbor/threat. In a no threatening arrangement FM beats the pants off planned in the early game.

Early game = Pre restriction lifting

Reason is that it allows so much energy from the base squares (you need to ICs to take full advantage) that you power through the early tech at a rate that would take you decades longer in planned. The lack of populational power is a mere few turns as a Demo/planned/creche boom or Demo/creche/golden age boom later on.

Seriously the elder statesman of this board have long thought this through and proven it 19 ways to Sunday. Sorry not trying to be condescending here but it is almost a given, save the rarities wherein a player garners scads of AA to offset the technological gap a FM player otherwise would generate, that a properly run FM early game transitioning into a period of Planned for pop boom purposes and then an extended run of green (as mid to late game green outperforms FM in raw energy output and flexibility to slam it all to econ or labs).

But what would I know? I haven't played in about 9 months. Maybe I need to install it on my laptop for my next business trip.


Posting "I KNOW!" without explanation, or providing links is a waste of space (not referring to you, but the one you appear to be defending.)

If you've read my previous posts, you will find that I'm a Free Marketeer trying to explain why to people who haven't played this game for 5+ years. Perhaps failing miserably at it, but at least I'm trying to explain it to them, rather than simply saying "I KNOW!" and being condescending about it.

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Sorry. http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...637#post3905637 and the reference to the standing army.

Well, I guess I'm more of a half-builder than a full-out builder. To tell you the truth, I'm probably more of a hybrid player than anything else, but my strategies/play-style hover closer to builder. And I tend to move out once I get the Particle Impactor and Mobility.

And yeah, I've beaten transcend before, but the AI gets kind of twinky in that difficulty so I don't like playing in it too much. But then again, the AI tends to lag in tech no matter which faction it is so...

If I were to further summarize my playstyle it would be:

a) Build up facilities moderately (quasi-ICS, forests for early minerals, and get up to base limit... and one SP if possible, most of the time no), and check up on nearest factions.
b) Get to Particle Impactor/Mobility. Check the nearest factions and see if I can wage a war with my strongest neighbour.
c) If yes, build army and wipe out enemy. If not, wait until SFF and Missile Launchers (6).
d) Continue builder style, and get one or two critical SPs. (For some reason, the AI puts its SPs in the weirdest places so their production rate is so slow. )


A balanced approach! That would be much more fun than min-maxing, but sadly SMAC/X provides greater rewards for min-maxing. As long as you're having fun, don't listen to the rest of us.

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Posting "I KNOW!" without explanation, or providing links is a waste of space (not referring to you, but the one you appear to be defending.)

If you've read my previous posts, you will find that I'm a Free Marketeer trying to explain why to people who haven't played this game for 5+ years. Perhaps failing miserably at it, but at least I'm trying to explain it to them, rather than simply saying "I KNOW!" and being condescending about it.


Heh, reffering to me?!

Well, I didn't say "I know", the content of my first post clearly showed what I intended to say.

And I think you have a problem with your attitude to links, for example if you disregard this one or this and have never read them, it's only worse for you.

People here are tired of repeating the same a thousand times, so they give links to where they said that.

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Posting "I KNOW!" without explanation, or providing links is a waste of space (not referring to you, but the one you appear to be defending.)

If you've read my previous posts, you will find that I'm a Free Marketeer trying to explain why to people who haven't played this game for 5+ years. Perhaps failing miserably at it, but at least I'm trying to explain it to them, rather than simply saying "I KNOW!" and being condescending about it.


Tommar no problem. My response was not so much to you as I know you are one who works for the good side of the force.

Moreover I was hoping to inspire Cal to read and apply techniques cited in link format. Much of what he describes speaks to a hybrid game and does not unlock the true power of a true early game use of FM. His discussion about air units and inability to use FM in of themselves indicate a mid game approach as D:AP is a mid game tech. So there are some semantical differences.

The intention of the linked material was to try to accelerate the early game as everyone should know early game is the most important single aspect of the game.

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binTravkin,

Just as a curiousity where does the second link take you? I get to a Game FAQ's link error page.

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A balanced approach! That would be much more fun than min-maxing, but sadly SMAC/X provides greater rewards for min-maxing. As long as you're having fun, don't listen to the rest of us.


And that ultimately is the point. However after a period of time the challenge of fine tuning ones game becomes a game of itself, hence the inevitable learning of how to min- max ( or at least thats how it worked for me).

IN any event, I agree wholeheartedly the main point is to have fun!

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binTravkin,

Just as a curiousity where does the second link take you? I get to a Game FAQ's link error page.


To Vel's Guide or the document I just saved from the link and attach here if any other people have the same problem.

Attachment: alien_crossfire_a.zip
This has been downloaded 1 time(s).

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Mead created the thread and tried to start a sensible discussion, blockhead however just became the figurehead with his "i'm right now come i'm l33t haxor i ownage ur base" attitude

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Mead created the thread and tried to start a sensible discussion, blockhead however just became the figurehead with his "i'm right now come i'm l33t haxor i ownage ur base" attitude


yup -- I think mead was fairly new to the game at the time but it quickly became a blockhead thread. Funny that his attitude hasn't changed despite the fact that it sounds like he keeps losing to tactics that are pretty basic for apolytoners.

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and this is my post 3000..



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NEWBIE !!!!!

Hey, you've got only 50% more!

And with my rate Im gonna catch up soon!

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I wish I had been quick enough to see the question

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Hey, you've got only 50% more!

And with my rate Im gonna catch up soon!


Not that soon!! You only post an average of 3 times more a day than me and I have a 1500 post lead !!

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I wish I had been quick enough to see the question


I was quick enough
He was asking what the A: 43 | D: 99 | M: 21 | HP: 13 values mean and how they're derived.

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I was quick enough
He was asking what the A: 43 | D: 99 | M: 21 | HP: 13 values mean and how they're derived.


Ahh so I assume the contest continues??

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Tommar no problem. My response was not so much to you as I know you are one who works for the good side of the force.

Moreover I was hoping to inspire Cal to read and apply techniques cited in link format. Much of what he describes speaks to a hybrid game and does not unlock the true power of a true early game use of FM. His discussion about air units and inability to use FM in of themselves indicate a mid game approach as D:AP is a mid game tech. So there are some semantical differences.

The intention of the linked material was to try to accelerate the early game as everyone should know early game is the most important single aspect of the game.


There was a link in your post?

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Ahh so I assume the contest continues??


Yes and I already stepped into that.
Let's just hope they don't notice this, otherwise this will be one hell busy place in no time..

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Not that soon!! You only post an average of 3 times more a day than me and I have a 1500 post lead !!


Actually my post count per day increases (just take look at it 3 days in a row) because I was not so active at the beginning of subscription.

OTTM

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Heh, reffering to me?!

Well, I didn't say "I know", the content of my first post clearly showed what I intended to say.

And I think you have a problem with your attitude to links, for example if you disregard this one or this and have never read them, it's only worse for you.

People here are tired of repeating the same a thousand times, so they give links to where they said that.


I think there might be a problem with linking on the message board. I didn't see any in your previous posts.

I think linking is good! Much better than repeating, if possible.

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I think there might be a problem with linking on the message board. I didn't see any in your previous posts.


You know if you start to get insulting people will insult you in return.

You said in one of your posts:
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Posting "I KNOW!" without explanation, or providing links is a waste of space

And I probably didn't notice the "," before "or"..

It is called, off-topic or spam, yes, but the forums would be plain boring if there were no off-topic posts..

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You know if you start to get insulting people will insult you in return.


That's cool with me. I can take the heat if I was right. Or apologize if I was wrong. Better yet would be to ignore people who are a waste of time, working on their post count, etc. but I'm still working on that one. After all, it might take some discussion to be sure of that.

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And that ultimately is the point. However after a period of time the challenge of fine tuning ones game becomes a game of itself, hence the inevitable learning of how to min- max ( or at least thats how it worked for me).

IN any event, I agree wholeheartedly the main point is to have fun!


I agree. There comes a time when fine-tuning becomes the major fun.

But I thought Cal asked honest questions, and deserved honest answers.

Links are good, but if they were provided, I didn't see them either.

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yet would be to ignore people who are a waste of time, working on their post count, etc. but I'm still working on that one.



IS this OT:
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And actually I've been in such a stage since I read all the info available at Vel's guide and SMAC Academy and tried it all out.

Advice is to do the same and not waste too much words in proving something that the expierence could later prove you as incorrect.



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Links are good, but if they were provided, I didn't see them either.

So you probably missed one of my "spam" posts..
I even cared to provide you with a file, which you obviously didn't download.


Generally with your brush attitude to some offtopic posts and other persons themselves Poly might not be the right place for you - people here are not answering machines, they tend to break in for a joke or two or remember things related (sometimes the link seems very unclear though) to the topic.

I had provided you the only 2 links you really need and one of the best advices a SMACXer could give to another SMACXer (I know that because was adviced the same in my young days of SMACX).

What else do you want?
To continue a discussion which lacks some very important points or even states things not fully correct?
From reading the first posts here I understood that at least one of the arguers (not necessarily you) hadn't read the links I provided later so I gave advice.
Those links are very common, you can find them on most SMACX fansites, but noone obviously did, so I took my time, actually searched for a thread where those links were given and pasted them here.

Yet you even fail to notice them.

What else do you want?
To copy all of the content of links here and you'll be satisfied?

And next time you don't like anyone's advice you can ignore it, not insult the person.

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