07-07-2005 04:44									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Brent Spiner is gay?

If he wags his finger like that, yes.

	07-07-2005 04:45									#62
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Is Strangelove trolling? Is this possible?

	07-07-2005 04:49									#63
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I've always been pro-circumcision.

	07-07-2005 05:19									#64
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun I've always been pro-circumcision.

You wish to inflict terror on a child, ergo people who support circumcision are terrorists.

	07-07-2005 05:21									#65
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hey but it prevents my kid from having AIDS.. or at least gives him better chances.. considerably better chances. That, combined with my abstinence program, where I tell what lust can do to you and show graphic images of STD infested genitalia, the effect pornography has on brains and the connection to addiction as a whole, meaning if you touch yourself too much, it can fall off, plus addicts are esaily also drug addicts.. I mean why take the chances?????

	07-07-2005 05:34									#66
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So AIDS is the un-circumcized man's cancer?

	07-07-2005 05:49									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Asher You wish to inflict terror on a child, ergo people who support circumcision are terrorists.

Asher's going anal on circumcized penises..

	07-07-2005 06:06									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Asher On a related note, it's surprising that you're against circumcision. I thought almost every American boy was circumcized and was therefore in favor of it.

I'm American, uncircumcized, and definitely not in favor of it. The thought makes me cringe.

	07-07-2005 06:15									#69
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The association between male circumcision and a reduced risk of HIV acquisition compared to uncircumsized males is not new knowledge. For me, the fun part is reading some of the fantastical attempts to explain it. Talk about science fiction!

	07-07-2005 08:22									#70
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A similiar connection has already been made between human papilloma virus (HPV) transmission and circumcision. Considering that certain forms of HPV cause cervical cancer in women (90% of men show no symptoms) this is no surprise.

My only guess is that the organisms get in the folds of the foreskin, and the prolonged contact makes catching the organism easier. Cleaning the male genitalia after sex also reduces the chances of some STD's, and circumcision makes it substantially easier to clean - note I didn't say it is impossible to clean a foreskin, but if you've just had sex, and are feeling sleepy, it would probably be much easier not to bother. I have also heard interviews with men who have had adolescent/adult circumcision (to fit in to American culture many years ago when having a foreskin was considered weird) and they reported a substantial loss in sensation, in fact one was quite bitter about it.

	07-07-2005 10:42									#71
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Circumcision

	07-07-2005 10:54									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Circumcision

Blatant textbook psychology examples.

	07-07-2005 11:00									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka And you guys realize this is BS statistics? IF 0.01 get AIDS, then if 70% of those who are cut less likely get it, what does that mean? That folks who are uncut have 70% more of a risk to get AIDS than cut people when having sex? No. YOu guys should watch Pen and Teller's BS about cutting.. it is.. bullshit.

The most telling statistics was this:

Cost of Circumcision $735

1 million cicumcisions a year is $735,000,000

I wonder why so many are done every year.........

ACK!

	07-07-2005 11:01									#74
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Asher: Can I help if the great majority of porn involves circumsized men? Thus giving the standard to women everywhere?

And now its proven it helps in preventing contracting HIV. What a great medical procedure .

The circumsize rise to victory .

	07-07-2005 11:14									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Asher: Can I help if the great majority of porn involves circumsized men? Thus giving the standard to women everywhere? And now its proven it helps in preventing contracting HIV. What a great medical procedure . The circumsize rise to victory .

Depends where you get your porn from, my porn mostly comes from Europe where most are uncut.

	07-07-2005 11:16									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Depends where you get your porn from, my porn mostly comes from Europe where most are uncut.

Wussy Eurocom porn

Why don't you just eat French food while you are at it?!

	07-07-2005 15:40									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Depends where you get your porn from, my porn mostly comes from Europe where most are uncut.

GGG

	07-07-2005 15:54									#78
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Never speak of this again, Spiffor. NEVER.

	07-07-2005 16:43									#79
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I'm still waiting for your fanfic btw

(for the record, I had no idea of what GGG was, I just knew it was something German that you often referred to, back in the day )

	07-07-2005 17:46									#80
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I referred to? I did no such thing!

And the work is in progress. Patience.

	07-07-2005 19:53									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Asher You wish to inflict terror on a child, ergo people who support circumcision are terrorists.

Hey Asher, I called a doctor and set up a special appointment for you.

	07-07-2005 22:05									#82
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While I'd love to join the bandwagon entranced by headline statistics in this thread, I can't help but ponder how much of the difference is due to different sexual mores applying in the cultures that practice circumcision.

Damn this curse of critical evaluation. Damn it to hell.

	07-07-2005 22:14									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp While I'd love to join the bandwagon entranced by headline statistics in this thread, I can't help but ponder how much of the difference is due to different sexual mores applying in the cultures that practice circumcision. Damn this curse of critical evaluation. Damn it to hell.

"All three trials were designed to compare the HIV infection rates of two groups of HIV-negative men, one-half of whom would agree to be circumcised, the other to be offered only counseling on AIDS prevention."

Damn this failure to read original posts

	07-07-2005 22:20									#84
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Well there you go.

I'd still be wary of accepting it as proof, however. For basic starters, how many recipients of an adult circumcision immediately resume their prior levels of porking?

	07-07-2005 22:24									#85
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Nope. Still not happy.

I would think that any man willing to submit to circumcision as part of an AIDS-related prevention measure, has already demonstrated such a level of awareness and caution that one must question whether they can be accurately compared with the norm.

Or, following usual "placebo" testing methods, were a control group left unaware of whether they had been cut or not? I doubt it.

	07-07-2005 22:39									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp Nope. Still not happy. I would think that any man willing to submit to circumcision as part of an AIDS-related prevention measure, has already demonstrated such a level of awareness and caution that one must question whether they can be accurately compared with the norm. Or, following usual "placebo" testing methods, were a control group left unaware of whether they had been cut or not? I doubt it.

I doubt you can ever do a proper double blind test of cirumcision You also cant do that on say, talk therapy as a treatment for depression, or exercise, weight loss and heart disease. Thats the nature of lifestyle changes, as opposed to meds.

So youve got some scientific suggestions of why it might work, youve got the real world epidemilogical evidence (with its inherent statistical unreliability), and youve got an inevitably flawed study.


Well, as Maimonides said, no one should circumsize himself or his son except as a matter of faith

	08-07-2005 03:50									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp Nope. Still not happy. I would think that any man willing to submit to circumcision as part of an AIDS-related prevention measure, has already demonstrated such a level of awareness and caution that one must question whether they can be accurately compared with the norm. Or, following usual "placebo" testing methods, were a control group left unaware of whether they had been cut or not? I doubt it.

I don't know about the current large scale study, but in the previous prospective trials done in Kenya they used a pool of truck drivers - one of the highest risk groups in Africa, and rabdomly selected them to be in the treatment group and the control group. They attempted to determine if the potential exposure of the two groups was equal, i.e., that they were equally active.

	08-07-2005 04:29									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove I don't know about the current large scale study, but in the previous prospective trials done in Kenya they used a pool of truck drivers - one of the highest risk groups in Africa, and rabdomly selected them to be in the treatment group and the control group. They attempted to determine if the potential exposure of the two groups was equal, i.e., that they were equally active.

YOU! Give me your dick, I'm going to cut off the foreskin!

YOU! You can keep your foreskin, but tell me when you get HIV.

	08-07-2005 04:52									#89
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Better AIDS that circumcision.

	08-07-2005 04:55									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Az Never speak of this again, Spiffor. NEVER.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ggg

Third definition, I would think.