08-07-2005 06:49									#91
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Free Seuda Challah"

That clinched it for me

Anecdotally, circumcision seems to be protective against a lot of STD's.

Asher better have the procedure before its too late.

What I don't understand is how the aids virus infects through the foreskin - does there need to be an abrasion/bleeding?

	08-07-2005 07:17									#92
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from the first post...

quote: A third trial, under way in Kisumu, Kenya, is still enrolling its quota of 2,700 volunteers and is also expected to be completed in 2007, according to the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, which is sponsoring it.

I wonder if the clinic I visited in Kisumu is the one in this article?

	08-07-2005 09:17									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Barinthus I wonder if the clinic I visited in Kisumu is the one in this article?

You go around 3rd world countries picking up STDs and going to free clinics?

	08-07-2005 09:21									#94
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Ohhhhhh, you have NO idea. None at all.

	08-07-2005 09:30									#95
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I have to admit circumcising the cat was hard.

	08-07-2005 09:39									#96
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AH - and this is just a guess - you have the possibility of prolonged physical contact in a warm, wet, moist environment - uncleaned foreskin after an erection. Plus, and I do not speak from personal experience so I am guessing - mechanically the foreskin is going to move back and forth over the erection (I'm trying to use words so I don't get auto-censored) during sex, and this is going to increased the chance of getting small areas of skin rubbed raw, especially where the foreskin connects. If that is the case, it would account for the vastly increased risk of AIDS.

	08-07-2005 09:46									#97
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for cats?

	08-07-2005 10:21									#98
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To quote what I say to my little girl. Silly goose.

quote: What I don't understand is how the aids virus infects through the foreskin - does there need to be an abrasion/bleeding?

I was referencing that - not the silly remark on cats, we just cut their b*lls off and that fixes the problem. Literally, and figuratively, so to speak.

	08-07-2005 10:26									#99
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no you are the goose for responding - American literalism strikes again

I think your hypothesis may be right - if sexual activity leads to small abrasions on the foreskin then that would be highly dangerous for hiv infection, no doubt about it.

	08-07-2005 10:27									#100
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who was the recent father (poster) who took a lot of flak over finally deciding to have his son circumsized based on evidence that it may lead to lower hiv infetion rate? He took a lot of flak over it. He should come back and say I told you so.

Myself? I think they look better and are more aerodynamic .

Uncut penises just look yucky.

	08-07-2005 10:57									#101
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Here's the interesting question. Since uncut pernises are more sensitive from all anecdotal evidence, is a man who is uncut more willing to use a condom; i.e. is the reduction in sensation such it feels as good to him as it is for a circumsized man. That is the second question that needs asked.

	08-07-2005 11:03									#102
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is sensivity a virtue? can lead to poor performance

	08-07-2005 11:04									#103
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quote: Originally posted by pchang You go around 3rd world countries picking up STDs and going to free clinics?

well if you are ******** locals in Africa, good idea to get yourself checked out

Actually, at that time, I was working in sexual health field and I was curious about their VCTs (their clinics, I forgot what thos eletters stand for alto). Even took a HIV test there - it was hilarious, a white boy in a clinic filled with Africans

	08-07-2005 11:07									#104
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You'll never get an unbiased view out of a European on this - circumcision is linked with Judaism - so the question brings out their deep latent anti-semitism.

For a Euro circumcision would lead to being mistaken for a Jew. And we can't have that, can we boys

	08-07-2005 11:16									#105
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AH - since like most Yankees in my age group I am circumsized -

quote: is sensivity a virtue? can lead to poor performance

- I've never had the chance to find out.

	08-07-2005 11:19									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse is sensivity a virtue? can lead to poor performance

not for the man

	08-07-2005 11:25									#107
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quote: Originally posted by shawnmmcc I've never had the chance to find out.

I couldn't care less - after thousands of roadtests and 4 kids I have no complaints about my equipment

	08-07-2005 11:38									#108
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I don't either - but just imagine if you were twice as sensitive.

	08-07-2005 11:40									#109
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its all nonsense - the only reason its so important on Poly is the forum is full of obsessive masturbators.

	08-07-2005 11:45									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse its all nonsense - the only reason its so important on Poly is the forum is full of obsessive masturbators.

. I think we found our tagline.

The only reason I'm concerned, is I feel I'm a little to un-sensitive. I can't believe how many personal details I'm revealing here. You guys really don't want to hear about my penis, I know. Lets put it this way. When I'm wearing a condom, I can go a very long time.

I wonder if circumcision can be reversed...

	08-07-2005 11:55									#111
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A woman told me mine was "beautiful". Is that too personal for you?

The sensitivity issue is probably more in the head than the equipment. If you aren't engaged emotionally or excited mentally your old fella isn't going to be too interested either.

	08-07-2005 12:05									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse A woman told me mine was "beautiful". Is that too personal for you? The sensitivity issue is probably more in the head than the equipment. If you aren't engaged emotionally or excited mentally your old fella isn't going to be too interested either.

you are probably right. The women I were with were prostitutes (legal ones in Nevada- I don't deal with human trafficking). Not that I do that sort of thing anymore. It's not as good as the real thing. I found out the hard way- pun intended.

	08-07-2005 12:07									#113
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yeah that would do it - you were probably thinking of your laundry list

	08-07-2005 17:22									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Asher YOU! Give me your dick, I'm going to cut off the foreskin! YOU! You can keep your foreskin, but tell me when you get HIV.

No, that's not quite how it works. The usual practice is for the researchers to be completely up front with the specimens...... I mean, participants. They explain to them the nature of the study and they let them know that they will be chosen by lots. If someone finds this objectionable then he's free to leave.

If the results of a study appear to be overwhelmingly positive researchers have the ethical option to "break the seal". i.e., tally the results short of the sexpected end date. At that point they may offer the treatment to the control group.

	08-07-2005 17:39									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident . I think we found our tagline. The only reason I'm concerned, is I feel I'm a little to un-sensitive. I can't believe how many personal details I'm revealing here. You guys really don't want to hear about my penis, I know. Lets put it this way. When I'm wearing a condom, I can go a very long time. I wonder if circumcision can be reversed...

Nah no worries. My lil friend and condoms do not get along either. I don't think you need to be concerned at all as long it does function just fine on its own. Prostitutes wouldn't do it for me either.

Try a female condom if you can, works better for me and after all protection is important.

I'm curious about those new anti sti cream/gels myself - I wonder they will act as lube as well

	08-07-2005 18:38									#116
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I once tried a female condom with my GF - the one who ended up my wife. She hadn't been using the pill, and I said fine, you find out what it's like. She said fine, and tried it. She told me that it was terrible. She went on the pill the next cycle.

	08-07-2005 18:47									#117
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This study does seem well-done; I'm sure it has some flaws and there were probably some differences between the behaviour of the two groups after the divergance, but I don't think they fully account for the statistical difference. Circumcision may well be a help in the third world. Although, any priest that tries to get the "A, B, C" method changed to "abstinence, being faithful and circumcision" deserves to be given to a gay HIV sufferer who thinks that sex with a virgin will cure AIDS.

Plus ten thumbs down for a Doctor who mocks "informed consent". I hope your patients know how little you care for that concept, Dr. Strangelove.

	08-07-2005 20:31									#118
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Methinks Dr. Strangelove was trying to be a little humorous and or cynical/sarcastic simultaneously. It's the problem us older geeks have - we try to communicate with language, not smileys.

	08-07-2005 21:17									#119
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Perhaps I am misinterpretting it, and the sarcasm was actually directed towards those people who think that informed consent for what doctors do to other peoples' children is a bad thing. It certainly appears from his tone that he thinks informed consent is a bad thing if it leads to fewer circumcisions. And it's impossible to deride informed consent in ANY medical context without belittling it in EVERY medical context.

	08-07-2005 21:23									#120
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Well, if all you parents-to-be feel the evidence in favour is so compelling, then you have nothing to fear by allowing your sons to make an informed decision on the subject when they are capable of doing so, do you? I'm sure they'll agree with you and consent to the operation.