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The attack was unreservedly condemned at Friday prayers by the mosque's imam.


This is what we need to win the War On Terror. There are those on both sides who characterize the war as Christians vs. Muslims. If the war ever becomes to be generally viewed as that, then it becomes a war which cannot be won.

This was must be seen in its true nature: barbarian hate-filled fanatics vs. civilization.

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supposedly they are suspecting a maroccan.


Read that outloud to yourself. Specifically the "a maroccan". With the -ar- sound.

Then spell it correctly.

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then it becomes a war which cannot be won.


Eh?

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Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp Defiantly continuing with your life is not "ignoring" anything. It's a gigantic "**** you" to those trying to disrupt our lives and terrorise us.


Exactly.

I thought Red Ken said it really well:

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Ken Livingstone, Mayor of London:
"Finally, I wish to speak directly to those who came to London today to take life.

I know that you personally do not fear giving up your own life in order to take others - that is why you are so dangerous. But I know you fear that you may fail in your long-term objective to destroy our free society and I can show you why you will fail.

In the days that follow look at our airports, look at our sea ports and look at our railway stations and, even after your cowardly attack, you will see that people from the rest of Britain, people from around the world will arrive in London to become Londoners and to fulfil their dreams and achieve their potential.

They choose to come to London, as so many have come before because they come to be free, they come to live the life they choose, they come to be able to be themselves. They flee you because you tell them how they should live. They don’t want that - and nothing you do, however many of us you kill, will stop that flight to our city where freedom is strong and where people can live in harmony with one another.

Whatever you do, however many you kill, you will fail."

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This was must be seen in its true nature: hate-filled fanatics vs. humanity.



As 'barbarian' and 'civilization' are both heavily laden with historical connotations of what is and isn't barbarian or civilized, I amended your quote slightly, but I'm generally in agreement.

This kind of terrorist 'logic' isn't the kind that most of us are used to thinking or dealing with- even with the earlier kind of avowedly political terrorism that the P.F.L.P. or the I.R.A. used, there was usually an attempt by the perpetrators to save themselves in view of longer term aims.

With, dare I say it, 'faith' based terrorism such as this, or the likes of the Aum Shinrikyo nerve gas attack' there is really little causal relationship between the terrorist's attack and the victims or target and usually a reckless approach to their own personal safety.

The terrorists have no way of discriminating between Muslims and non-Muslims in a random bombing; no way of discriminating between those who supported the British government's stance on the Iraq war and those who didn't; and no way of discerning who is a British citizen and who is not.

This is the 'logic' of the sociopath or psychopath- it's Hinckley or Chapman, but with organisation and method and on a larger scale.

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SPLITTER!

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It's funny but I watched 'Life of Brian' on Friday, and the mass suicide by the Judaean People's Front crack suicide squad still made me laugh.

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That showed them!

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Long time, no see...

Hope everyone here was OK after last Thursdays shenanigans.

Thank whoever I left London last year...

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On a more sombre note, the missing:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4664209.stm


When interviewed on B.B.C. television, one of the London Underground staff at Russell Square said that she had been helping one of the bomb victim's underground for two hours- he had lost part of a leg in the blast.


QUOTE]Helen Long, a London Underground worker, spent almost two hours with a 25-year-old man called Paul who had lost a leg in the blast. 'We had a joke about the 2012 Olympics - he said he was going to be the first paraplegic athlete to take part,' Long said. Earlier on she had helped the tube train's driver tie his belt around Paul's leg to stem the bleeding. 'That saved his life,' Long said.[/QUOTE]

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_n...1525316,00.html

Ms Long said that her managers told her she could have some time off to recover and she has been offered counselling, but she wanted to get back to work as quickly as possible and reported for duty at 7.00 a.m. on Friday.

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That's a great story.

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@ strength of character

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And the no. 30 bus driver:

" Mr Psaradakis said he tried to help his passengers. "There were many injured people and at first I thought, 'How am I alive when everyone is dying around me?' The police then had to take me away because they were concerned there might be further explosions."

Yesterday, Mr Psaradakis's wife, Andriani, said: "He is OK for now, but it has not been easy for him to see these terrible things."


Mr Psaradakis, who is based at Stagecoach's Stratford bus depot, is a regular driver on the number 30, which is among nine routes operated by the company from Stratford.

Managing director for Stagecoach in London, Barry Arnold, said: "It says a lot about our driver that in such terrible circumstances his first thoughts were to help others." "

http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=761832005

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I wonder how people expected the brits to behave, though? Did anyone expect a complete change in their behaviour? Hell, even the americans who led sheltered lives didn't have any serious change in lifestyle.

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Hell, even the americans who led sheltered lives didn't have any serious change in lifestyle.


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America was more sheltered from terrorism than others, making 9-11 more powerful not only in sheer scope but also in impact on psyche. Still, the way americans work and spend their free time hasn't changed at all. Just like it didn't change for any other society facing bombings.

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America was more sheltered from terrorism than others, making 9-11 more powerful not only in sheer scope but also in impact on psyche. Still, the way americans work and spend their free time hasn't changed at all.



Actually, it has. The most noticeble effect would probably be air travel and tourism.


I know an artist who lived in Barcelona during that time, and he's told me how, after 9/11, the market fell through because they relied on tourism (not just from the 'states) to sell their work, and that even today the artists there aren't selling as much as they used to.

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Well, the economy was slow at that time, so as you've said yourself, it's hardly just the americans changing their lifestyles at that time. In any case, foreign travel isn't exactly "daily life"

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One of the TV news magazines carried a piece about how the bus exploded in front of a building where a bunch of physicians were meeting and how that serendipity probably saved some lives.

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One of the TV news magazines carried a piece about how the bus exploded in front of a building where a bunch of physicians were meeting and how that serendipity probably saved some lives.


Though not many. The BMA had nothing more helpful than standard office first-aid kits. It's not like the explosion happened outside a Hospial A&E unit.

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Shock and Awe in London. But as a commentator said, it'll take around 100,000 more to make things even. BTW the propaganda is unbelievable. Strength of character and bullshit. They were hitting one another inside the metro to get out and London is empty. Ôhere other sources that the BBC/CNN propagandators. And there's no sympathy except for the victims. But what they did and do in Iraq dampens it. BTW will our good allies the americans put out travelling atvisory out for Britian now?
The propaganda is something else. BTW it were those same channels that had breaking news if a gas canister for christ sake exploded somewhere in Athens. Anyway Panousis said that these were defensing countermeasures against the Iraq massacre but they are too little. And then he said goodbye to the scared little microbourgeois from his daily show. It's hilarious that the opposite side cannot be heard. Namely that both are terrorists (english and arab extremists) but the first have caused much more misery.

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Actually it is heard in all countries except england,america, and little runalongs. But the vast majority of the world knows excatly what's happening. Shouldn't be unfair to the world.

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Man. You have got some issues. I have read your posts about the terrible deaths by angloamerican bombing in Iraq. I have seen the pictures. War is hell all the way around.

This war was started in Munich in 1972. Terrorism of the free peoples of this world cannot be allowed to continue. What don't you get?

I don't see Al Quesadilla or what ever gang of suicide bombers opening schools, building roads, feeding the hungry, promoting suffrage, or opening hospitals.

I wish you well and pray for you.

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It's surprising that France's reaction (at least France's media) is so biased in favour of the Brits and so hostile to the terrorists then. Well, maybe they make up for all the revanchism that has accumulated during the month before the attack, but I don't think it plays so much.

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Next time N17 blows a load of your lot up paiktis, would we take such a glib attitude? I doubt it...

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Shock and Awe in London. But as a commentator said, it'll take around 100,000 more to make things even. BTW the propaganda is unbelievable. Strength of character and bullshit. They were hitting one another inside the metro to get out and London is empty. Ôhere other sources that the BBC/CNN propagandators. And there's no sympathy except for the victims. But what they did and do in Iraq dampens it. BTW will our good allies the americans put out travelling atvisory out for Britian now?
The propaganda is something else. BTW it were those same channels that had breaking news if a gas canister for christ sake exploded somewhere in Athens. Anyway Panousis said that these were defensing countermeasures against the Iraq massacre but they are too little. And then he said goodbye to the scared little microbourgeois from his daily show. It's hilarious that the opposite side cannot be heard. Namely that both are terrorists (english and arab extremists) but the first have caused much more misery.



Hmmm... our first poster boy... see ya in 48 hours...
I don't recommend using this thread to state your typical anti British crap... Maybe you should have read my warnings...

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Actually, Ming, though misguided, Paik did touch upon something.

The United States has banned its military from entering London.

 
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