12-07-2005 13:54									#571
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Banned them from invading london or stopped off duty personnel from visiting?

If it's the latter, why? That's retarded.

	12-07-2005 14:00									#572
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apparently service personnel and their famalies have been advised not to go inside the M25.

	12-07-2005 14:05									#573
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Here is a link to the story http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/homepage/in.../uk/4673987.stm

	12-07-2005 14:16									#574
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Sounds like a bit of a non-story. They gave the order in the immediate aftermath and have just been a bit slow recinding it.

	12-07-2005 14:30									#575
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They probably need to get rid of the order now though asap

	12-07-2005 14:54									#576
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Sounds a bit of a silly order if you ask me. What are they expecting, a nuke?

	12-07-2005 15:12									#577
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To be fair to our american cousins at the time of the bombing the order made sense, however given Geroge W's remarks it seems it should now be removed.

	12-07-2005 15:18									#578
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They said something on the radio news just now to the effect that the statement had now been withdrawn.

I think it was a precautionary order, as this all came with no warning. So i think it made sense to issue it in that light.

Things seem kind of normal now, still more cars on the road than usual, but buses looked busy as usual this morning when i came in.
I just hope the security forces are as 'on it' as they were in Madrid, they eventualy got those guys(they blew themselves up to avoid capture).

	12-07-2005 18:25									#579
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Blah, - massively late x-post

	12-07-2005 20:40									#580
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Just curious, why is this thread still topped?

	12-07-2005 20:49									#581
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All the terrorist bombers are reportedly dead, and were reportedly British Citizens

*edit* Yahoo news is full of it, link retracted, as was their story.

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quote: Originally posted by Ninot All the terrorist bombers are reportedly dead, and were reportedly British Citizens

Not at all clear to me how they can know that. Have they found the bodies? was there ID on them? SOme reports that an eyewitness on the bus saw a man who was agitated, and looking into his rucksack (backpack?). Were there similar eyewitness reports for the trains? And how would an eyewitness know their citizenship?

	12-07-2005 21:14									#583
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bah, Yahoo took down the news story

	12-07-2005 21:15									#584
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Don't think so, just moved it :

link

Nah, it's Poly that do nasty things to thiew link - it's on their frontpage :

http://news.yahoo.com

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	12-07-2005 21:19									#585
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your link is sending me to a "page not found" too.

and the one I linked was different from the one they have up now anyways.

	12-07-2005 21:48									#586
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ok, now theyre saying that one bomber died for sure, on the bus, and that they found his belongings on the bus. There were 4 bombers, at least 3 from Leeds, not sure if the others are alive or not. One guy has been arrested in west Yorkshire. A car has been impounded. Info from closed circuit TV cameras showed the 4 bombers entering Kings Cross station 20 minutes before the bombings.

Things are happening quickly now.

	12-07-2005 22:10									#587
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4674463.stm

Arrests and forensic evidence to one bomber. Seems they're homegrown fanatics, this won't be good. I would've preferred if they were north african or middle eastern, this way we can see more reprisals against the muslim community in the UK which won't be any good (few arson attacks on mosques already).

	12-07-2005 22:20									#588
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with the muslim communities in all these western nations, home grown terrorism isn't a far fetched idea at all.

I remember seeing quite a few news reports about terrorists based out of London about a year ago.

And I know that 9/11 terrorists stayed in Montreal for a while. I think that just points to militant cells in Canada who'd be willing to repeat the deeds.

What a scary world we live in

	12-07-2005 22:22									#589
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quote: Originally posted by lightblue http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4674463.stm Arrests and forensic evidence to one bomber. Seems they're homegrown fanatics, this won't be good. I would've preferred if they were north african or middle eastern, this way we can see more reprisals against the muslim community in the UK which won't be any good (few arson attacks on mosques already).

The pattern at Casablanca and Madrid was locals to plant the bombs, apparently under technical guidance from outsiders. Hopefully further investigation will lead up the chain.

	13-07-2005 04:50									#590
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I flew back to Glasgow today and was surprised to see how many police were on the street - I've never seen as many on the beat at one time except during Rangers-Celtic games.

Disgustingly, back in Ireland, at one of the GAA matches over the weekend a minority of supporters purportedly started chanting IRA slogans during the minute's silence for victims of the bombing.

http://newsfeed.tcm.ie/irishexamine...z&n=10029537454

Some people I guess just can't let go of the past - several people have written into the newspapers here saying Britain has got its just desserts for invading Iraq. Some good has come out of this tragedy though - it's finally convinced the Irish government to take the threat of Islamic terrorism seriously. Up until now, despite the Gardai's vaunted claims, we've more-or-less turned a blind eye to it in Ireland.

Does anyone out there remember good ol' Jihad? Jihad was one of the Church of the Nativity gang that we foolishly granted political asylum to. He was meant to be under heavy Gardai surveillance. A few months ago the Spanish police contacted the Gardai to let them know that Jihad had paid a little unexpected visit to Spain. The Gardai had no idea he was missing.

My two cents, and I'm sorry in advance if what I'm saying is too harsh for the sombre note of this thread - but the UK had better start toughening up its act, right now. The British are appeasing terrorism in my eyes. It disgusts me the way they roll over and give Gerry Adams and Sinn Fein/IRA everything they ask for. Time and time again the Republicans have failed to live up to their side of a deal and Tony has just let it pass. The amount of Islamic terrorists the UK has given asylum too is frightening if the papers are believed. They should stop defending the Muslim community and get tough with them, right now. Let them know that they must do a much better job of policing themselves for extremists in their midst. The fact of the matter is that it seems that it seems British citizens were behind the bombings, which suggests that somewhere in the UK's Muslim community these young men are being indoctrinated that it's OK to kill infidels.

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quote: Originally posted by lightblue http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4674463.stm Arrests and forensic evidence to one bomber. Seems they're homegrown fanatics, this won't be good. I would've preferred if they were north african or middle eastern, this way we can see more reprisals against the muslim community in the UK which won't be any good (few arson attacks on mosques already).

They mentioned here this morning that they were pakistani moslems.

I'd like to see the citizenship of some of these nutjobs revoked. I know that the citizenship of naturalized americans can be revoked for some offenses but I dont know about british citizenship.

	13-07-2005 18:15									#592
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They were probably of pakistani origin, but are most likely 3rd or 4th generation Brits. Unlikely that citizenship can be revoked.

	13-07-2005 18:22									#593
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quote: 3rd or 4th generation Brits

	13-07-2005 18:39									#594
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What? Anybody born here can get citizenship (iirc), same as in the US I think. These people mostly descend from people arriving just after ww2 and are 19-20yrs old, so yes they're 3rd or 4th generation. They have British birth certificates, British passports, British education etc. etc. They're Brits but obviously don't want to be.

	13-07-2005 18:46									#595
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Well, that's what I am shaking my head at. They, and their ilk should be removed for good from society. Problem is, they won't agree, and maybe that's what the real problem is: they don't want to stop being part of that society, but they want to make that society change.

	13-07-2005 19:04									#596
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quote: Originally posted by lightblue They have British birth certificates, British passports, British education etc. etc. They're Brits but obviously don't want to be.

That's part of the problem though. Nationality is only one aspect of their identity. Their religious beliefs (or extremist views fueled by/ influenced by those) are another aspect which they feel is more important.
Is it that they don't want to be Brits, or is it that they want Britain to be different?

	13-07-2005 19:08									#597
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Well yeah, I mean the logical reaction to people wanting to turn the UK into a country with Sharia law and the like would be to send them to Saudi or Iran or something and let them live over there. Not sure they'd want them though.

	13-07-2005 19:24									#598
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quote: Originally posted by lightblue Well yeah, I mean the logical reaction to people wanting to turn the UK into a country with Sharia law and the like would be to send them to Saudi or Iran or something and let them live over there.

The thing is, they're British citizens. Just like you. They're against British policies in the ME and they've chosen a radical way to express their dissent. (To put things very mildly).

	13-07-2005 20:41									#599
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1. Has is actually been established they were 3rd generation Brits? hasnt Britain continued to receive immigration from south asia? The US certainly has. Arent there 1st generation Pakistanis in the UK?

2. The bombers may have been 3rd generation. Its very unlikely that the ones who incited them with an ideology of changing Britain in a radical Islamist image were though. IIUC Hamza, Bakri and other preachers are all foreign born. France has focused on having more native born, French speaking Imams.

3. Its now beleived that there was a mastermind and a bombmaker who are at large. Not clear if these guys were foreigners.

4. Its certainly up to the leadership of British muslims, with the support of the rest of society, to focus on assimilation.

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And the racist youth show their true colors:

quote: A Muslim man has been beaten to death outside a corner shop by a gang of youths who shouted anti-Islamic abuse at him, the Guardian has learned. Kamal Raza Butt, 48, from Pakistan, was visiting Britain to see friends and family. On Sunday afternoon he went to a shop in Nottingham to buy cigarettes and was first called "Taliban" by the youths and then set upon. Nottinghamshire police described the incident as racially aggravated, not as Islamophobic, angering Muslim groups and surprising some senior officers.