11-07-2005 06:17									#1
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This thread is an attempt to see what each civ's unique unit will be. Here are my thoughts. Any other ideas?

Americans: F-15/16? Minuteman?
Arabs: Camel Archer
Aztecs: Jaguar or Eagle Warrior
Babylonians: Bowman (blah), maybe a cool horse or chariot archer
Chinese: Please not the "Rider" again. Hopefully the Chu-Ko-Nu or Sheng-chu'an
Egyptians: War Chariot
English: Some Kind of Ship (Man-of-War?)
French: Royal Musketeer or Old Guard (I don't want to see the term "Musketman" in the game, please!)
Germans: Panzer or Teutonic Knight or ...?
Indians: Not War Elephants, I don't think. Any ideas?
Japanese: Samurai
Malinese: Heaven only knows...
Mongols: Keshik or Mangudai
Persians: Immortal
Romans: Praetorian Guard or Legion
Russians: Cossack? MiG? Strelets? Boyar?
Spanish: Conquistador

	12-07-2005 06:37									#2
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Germans will keep the panzer, I hope!!!
Man-o-war is a waste of resources. And will be out of date before you can say "man-o-War".
Conquistador sucks, because shows up too late to be useful.

Musketeer for everyone and Royal Musketeer for France:


Btw, Nice avatar, Alexander01...

	12-07-2005 07:37									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Aro Germans will keep the panzer, I hope!!! Man-o-war is a waste of resources. And will be out of date before you can say "man-o-War". Conquistador sucks, because shows up too late to be useful. Musketeer for everyone and Royal Musketeer for France: Btw, Nice avatar, Alexander01...

Thanks.

Oh, and I hope the Age of Enlightenment lasts a little bit longer so that the Man-of-War, Conquistador, etc. have more prolonged usefulness.

	12-07-2005 07:44									#4
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The man-O-war being out bof date so quickly is sad. The age of sail lasted hundreds of years, but by the time you have frigates built they're practicly obsolete. Civ III just skipped right over the line of battle ships that the english built one of the world's greatest empires with.

With the inseption of the discovery of sail turns should encompass less years to highlight an interesting time in history.

	12-07-2005 08:13									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander01 Thanks. Oh, and I hope the Age of Enlightenment lasts a little bit longer so that the Man-of-War, Conquistador, etc. have more prolonged usefulness.

Defined ages are out, so maybe they'll be more useful, or possibly less

	12-07-2005 19:17									#6
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quote: Originally posted by H Tower Defined ages are out, so maybe they'll be more useful, or possibly less

Possibly less? How so? If you focus on one particular part of the tech tree?

	12-07-2005 21:32									#7
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not having played the game, I have no idea.

	13-07-2005 07:08									#8
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I suppose that's slightly more info than not posting at all, thanks.

	14-07-2005 08:19									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Aro Man-o-war is a waste of resources. And will be out of date before you can say "man-o-War".

How 'bout the Dreadnought?

	14-07-2005 08:29									#10
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Some other ideas?

English: Redcoat (musket or rifleman replacement) or (Welsh) Longbows
Indians: (Nepalese) Gurkhas(?)
Malinese: Emperor's Guard/Escort(???) (based on the soldiers that accompanied Mansa Musa to Mecca)

...and you forgot

Greeks: Hoplite/Phalanx

	16-07-2005 15:09									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Xorbon Some other ideas? Malinese: Emperor's Guard/Escort(???) (based on the soldiers that accompanied Mansa Musa to Mecca)

We had a discussion some time ago on the Civ 3 forums about Malian units:

http://fanaticus.org/DBA/armies/dba120.html

quote: Knights -- Armored in mail. The horses would be wearing padded barding. The decoration on the command figure should naturally include a great deal of gold. Riders usually wore flowing robes, similar to Berber styles. Sundiata is described as having led his troops wearing a white robe and turban. Any self-respecting leader would be accompanied by a griot, a West African bard, probably carrying a lute-like instrument.

and

quote: Although rare, horsemen as icon have existed for 1000 years in Mali. Some would depict a hogon, the supreme officeholder, a semi-divine leader of great wisdom, or even a mythological emissary from a distant land.

http://www.hamillgallery.com/DOGON/...ogonRiders.html

	17-07-2005 03:56									#12
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Aside from the fact that most UU's aren't unique....

For the Americans, how about a commando UU such as Navy Seals or Delta Force.

I have found that the F-15 UU was quite useless. Of course this still puts the UU out of reach until the later stages, but would definitely be more useful than the F-15.

	17-07-2005 04:32									#13
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For the French, I'd like to see an improved knight unit (chevalier) instead of muskets.

	17-07-2005 23:29									#14
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I'd be inclined to give the Spaniards a tercio in lieu of the conquistador.

Why shouldn't the Indians have war elephants?

	18-07-2005 01:27									#15
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well since we've established that mali had no worthwhile military. how about a unique city improvement?

i propose: the malinese mud hut

special ability: makes pc left-wing liberals melt in the rain

	18-07-2005 01:31									#16
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HAR HAR HAR.

	18-07-2005 01:56									#17
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More seriously, for the Mali, you could think of a specific feudal pikemen unit that fights better on hostile terrain. Or you can think of a unique feudal unit that integrates combined arms (The Battle of Kirina, from which the Mali empire was created, made full use of combined arms).

I don't think that knights are a good UU for the Mali, because they weren't that pervasive in the Malian tactics, and because there are way too many knight UUs already.

	18-07-2005 04:22									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I don't think that knights are a good UU for the Mali, because they weren't that pervasive in the Malian tactics, and because there are way too many knight UUs already.

Really? I'm certainly no expert, but from what my history books say, the Mali military was, like the Songhaian, based on imported horses to a large degree.

	18-07-2005 04:39									#19
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Well, the cavalry was probalby the most modern weaponry, but the tactics seemed to largely use archers and pikemen. At least, if the epics of Sundjatta (The Malian conqueror who created the empire in the first place) is to be believed. I have no knowledge of further wars fought by the Mali, and I have absolutely no idea as to how the Songhay fought.

	18-07-2005 05:08									#20
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The core of the Songhaian army was cavalrymen mounted on steeds imported from Maghreb; the Empire made a point of controling the horse trade.

Songhai, incidentally, has the distinction of being the only large empire toppled by Moroccans; their cavalry was not much use against the Moroccan musketeers.

	18-07-2005 08:48									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Xorbon Some other ideas? English: Redcoat (musket or rifleman replacement) or (Welsh) Longbows Indians: (Nepalese) Gurkhas(?) Malinese: Emperor's Guard/Escort(???) (based on the soldiers that accompanied Mansa Musa to Mecca) ...and you forgot Greeks: Hoplite/Phalanx

Tsk! For England - i propose the Scottish fighting man - their empire was built on Scottish blood, aye!

	18-07-2005 09:20									#22
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They should make the Mali UU the Impi. And then rename the Mali to the Zulu

	18-07-2005 16:05									#23
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F**** Soccer Hooligan for the english modern unit.

	18-07-2005 16:09									#24
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would win a few battles against a main battle tank

	18-07-2005 17:26									#25
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quote: Indians: Not War Elephants, I don't think. Any ideas?

How bout a "Sikh Warrior"?

(the sikh were elite warriors in Deli sultanate and later Mughal Empire IIRC and they're well known thru history for their high skills and usage of weird weapons. "Chakra" is one example - the ring with gilette-sharp outer rim.)

quote: Russians: Cossack? MiG? Strelets? Boyar?

Boyar is not a warrior, but a name of social group. Kinda "knight" in medieval Europe.

Strelets's were only a mass of cannonfodder.

MiG was good indeed, but not so good to be on level with F15, also there's a tendency to not have "special" units of exactly the same kind for 2 nations.

T-34 would qualify almost as good as German Panzer, but as Panzer is more recongisable, I think we can forget about it.

Cossacks are a good thought, but they didn't achieve so much than most of the other unique units.

Remember that USSR's mobile nuke platform?
I've never seen U.S. had something similar and even if it did, it did not have so many ways of application.
In the Kuwait War at 1991 iraqis used them IIRC (or at least tried) for SCUD missile launching (not nuclear though).

Also, returning to the topic of aircraft, there were several good models by USSR in WW2, like IL-2 (recognisable for it's wast anti-tank ability and simple-and-easy-to-maintain design.).

	18-07-2005 18:54									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Tattila the Hun F**** Soccer Hooligan for the english modern unit.

special ability: upgrades from swordsman to med inf to sas
do we get sean connery as a great leader??

quote: Originally posted by binTravkin How bout a "Sikh Warrior"?

quote: Russians: Cossack? MiG? Strelets? Boyar?

no!... the c.c.c.p.a!!!

*lebensraum scales new heights of lameness

	18-07-2005 19:40									#27
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A Russian mobile nuke platform would be really cool. Haven't seen anything like that in a civ game before.

	18-07-2005 20:09									#28
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Yes and that would also be able to launch conventional missiles before nukes and also it would be quite of an all-terrain vehicle (jungle? no problem!).

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Sweet.

	18-07-2005 21:02									#30
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"Sikh Warrior" isn't really sensible as a unit, as there weren't specific units of Sikhs trained in some Sikh-specific fashion. The Sikhs have a long and distinguished martial history, but that's not the same thing.