14-08-2005 21:23									#271
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I haven't seen the game yet, but everyone (supporters of other clubs included.. even some Arsenal fans!) said Newcastle got jobbed by a horrible ref . Not that I thought we'd win or anything.

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	15-08-2005 04:03									#272
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Definitely looked like a sending off to me, didnt seem intentional though.

The penalty ive seen them not given all the time, Ljungberg made a meal of it as usual, but it probably was.

	15-08-2005 04:36									#273
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quote: Definitely looked like a sending off to me, didnt seem intentional though.

Absolutely!
I that tackle goes wrong, it could be end of career.


And if Chelsea is even going to win "those" kind of games then I really see no one beating them to the finishing line.

	15-08-2005 04:49									#274
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quote: Originally posted by alva Absolutely! I that tackle goes wrong, it could be end of career. And if Chelsea is even going to win "those" kind of games then I really see no one beating them to the finishing line.

The Premiership is a bit Mickey Mouse though isn't it? Let them have it. The Champions League is the biggie!

	15-08-2005 04:52									#275
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Drogba played the full game, Gudjohnson taken off at half time. As i said, Drogba would get more of a chance this season. Crespo is full of goals, looks like he'll be eased into the team at the expense of Gudjohnson.

quote: The Premiership is a bit Mickey Mouse though isn't it? Let them have it. The Champions League is the biggie!

Wanna bet Chelsea get further than Liverpool in the CL?

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quote: Originally posted by Maquiladora Drogba played the full game, Gudjohnson taken off at half time. As i said, Drogba would get more of a chance this season. Crespo is full of goals, looks like he'll be eased into the team at the expense of Gudjohnson. Wanna bet Chelsea get further than Liverpool in the CL?

Sure. Do you have Paypal? £20?

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Yeah I do. 20 is fine.

Extra-time doesnt count as "further" neither, just stages.

If they go the same distance no one wins.

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.....or whether the side gets knocked out on the Tuesday or the Wednesday.....obviously won't affect Liverpool but it's nice get these things sorted from the outset!

;O)

	15-08-2005 05:17									#279
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At even odds?

Reds is feeling generous today!!

	15-08-2005 05:19									#280
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Good thats all settled then.

BTW did you end up joining the Fantasy PL?

	15-08-2005 05:22									#281
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That was to Reds, but you should join too Alva, have a bet.

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quote: Originally posted by alva At even odds? Reds is feeling generous today!!

Liverpool are seeded, Chelsea arn't. Chances are we'll get an easier group.

Get your money on alva....

	15-08-2005 05:49									#283
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The more the merrier

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Who do you support Maquiladora? is the name butter related? There used to be a Cuban welterweight with a name like yours, Jose Napeles(sp!), his nickname was 'smooth as butter'. (but in Spanish).

Alva, get the money buddy, it's easy cash!...;O)

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Spurs.

Its the name of an old Radiohead song, nothing to do with butter that i can remember.

And nothing to do with my name.

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quote: Originally posted by Maquiladora Liverpool were pretty crap too. Even though Morientes got 2 the other day in the CL id still play Cisse up front, even Baros looks sharper. Morientes played up front on his own today and Gerrad had 4 of the best chances of the game...

Yeah I agree. Gerrad had to got off the wrong side of the bed Saturday. Though Liverpool could use some improvements on left and right sides. What's the matter with these dudes all jamming up the middle?

	15-08-2005 08:34									#287
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Is it just me or has the rule enforcing been tightened up a bit this season?

Also I am a bit confused on all this penalty business. Sometimes when a player body-checks another player and takes the ball it's all right, at other times it'd be a foul. What gives?

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They said theyd be tightening up on dissent, I havent noticed it too much yet.

The Arsenal penalty was dodgy, because the NC defender (cant remember who), put his hand on Ljungbergs shoulder and he fell over and rolled 3 times like an idiot.

It was a foul because of the hand, but what actually happened is the hand put him off (not forcefully) and he missed the ball, and so fell over and rolled like he'd be shot.

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quote: Originally posted by Maquiladora The Arsenal penalty was dodgy, because the NC defender (cant remember who), put his hand on Ljungbergs shoulder and he fell over and rolled 3 times like an idiot.

Yeah, that looks like a bad call to me. Ljungberg dribbled the ball too fast so it got loose before he fell down and rolled about.

	15-08-2005 09:06									#290
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quote: Absolutely! I that tackle goes wrong, it could be end of career.

Yet Jenas got his foot on the ball. Yes, it deserves a card, but a yellow, not a red. Now if Jenas didn't touch the ball at all, perhaps a red. Unfortunetly, I think if Newcastle wasn't playing Arsenal (or any of the other Big 3), that would have just been a yellow.

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Yeah, I agree with Imran. That should be a yellow card. After all, I don't think Jenas intended to injure Gilberto.

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I think it is because of the BS 'cracking down' on dangerous tackles. They'll overcard for the first month and then settle down to what they've always done. Unfortunetly Jenas got his at the wrong time of season.

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quote: originally posted by Urban Yeah, I agree with Imran. That should be a yellow card. After all, I don't think Jenas intended to injure Gilberto.

Err, if there's intent should'n it automatically be red???

He made a reckless tacle (with nothing to gain btw), if he get's the ball, fine...if not, it's a red card.

quote: originally posted by imran I think it is because of the BS 'cracking down' on dangerous tackles. They'll overcard for the first month and then settle down to what they've always done. Unfortunetly Jenas got his at the wrong time of season.

Not on the continent where this kind of offense will get a send of even after the first month.
Don't get me wrong, I prefer the English flow of games but when going over the line...

quote: originally posted by urban Also I am a bit confused on all this penalty business.

In all honesty, penalties are a bit "broken" in football, they should come up with something else.

	15-08-2005 16:29									#294
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui **** **** **** I haven't seen the game yet, but everyone (supporters of other clubs included.. even some Arsenal fans!) said Newcastle got jobbed by a horrible ref . Not that I thought we'd win or anything.

You hardly had the ball. Was something like 70% posession to Arsenal in the second half. You defended for 70 minutes but it was desperate stuff, was always just going to be a matter of time until they scored. You can't keep making last ditch blocks and tackles like that eventually luck will run out.

	15-08-2005 16:31									#295
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Chelsea were awful and still won. Lucky.

	15-08-2005 16:42									#296
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Jenas' card downgraded to yellow:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foo...ted/4153130.stm

quote: Jermaine Jenas' red card in Newcastle's 2-0 loss at Arsenal has been downgraded to a yellow by referee Steve Bennett. Jenas faced a three-game ban after his challenge on Gilberto Silva but he will not now be suspended. "Steve Bennett has been in touch via letter to apologise for his error of judgement during Sunday's game," said a statement on the club website. "He has requested that the Football Association downgrade the dismissal and this has been confirmed by the FA."

Oh and N'Zogbia was unlucky to be the one to give away the penalty, he'd been excellent since he came on but the way Arsenal were getting into the box again and again something was going to happen sooner or later.

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Woot! Little too late, but at least Jenas doesn't get a 3 match ban.

quote: Err, if there's intent should'n it automatically be red??? He made a reckless tacle (with nothing to gain btw), if he get's the ball, fine...if not, it's a red card.

That's why UR said there wasn't intent... and Jenas did get the ball.

quote: You hardly had the ball. Was something like 70% posession to Arsenal in the second half. You defended for 70 minutes but it was desperate stuff, was always just going to be a matter of time until they scored. You can't keep making last ditch blocks and tackles like that eventually luck will run out

That's how a lot of clubs got 1 point last year while playing the 4-5-1. Negative football is the main part of the formation's strategy. And remember the entire second half was played with 10 men, and if it was called a yellow on the pitch, the entire 2nd half may have been different.

	15-08-2005 17:51									#298
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nice one Steve Bennet

	15-08-2005 17:52									#299
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True. Emre and Parker are fantastic signings. You desperately need a striker though.

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quote: Originally posted by MikeH True. Emre and Parker are fantastic signings. You desperately need a striker though.

You're telling me!

We've been yelling for a striker all offseason, but Fat Freddie and Souness haven't come with one. We were linked with Kuijt before the year and NOTHING came of that at all, just rumor. Then there were rumblings about Owen. Then we heard about Boa Morte and Robbie Keane (we thought, well at least we can sign one of them). Then, after failing on that front, we heard Anelka (and WTF?!). Now we are hearing about Owen again, and some rumblings about Boa Morte.

This club won't be signing a striker until the January window if at all this year. It's getting ridiculous. Two biggest problems in the offseason were striker and the left back. Haven't addressed either. Though Emre and Parker look great.

While I do like Milner, he isn't a world class striker to take up the reigns from Shearer. And Babayaro isn't the answer at left back.