12-07-2005 05:01									#1
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I just watched a swedish documentary on danish TV about teenagers' surfing habits with respect to porn, and how people that age are affected by it...

It also covered tha gap between parents' and their teenagers' knowledge about the Internet (what's out there and how you access it)... The parents in the program were at an enormous disadvantage; some didn't even know how to use computers at all...

i) Do you think that it's representative in general (ie that most parents are outsmarted by their children regarding computers and the Internet)?

ii) Do you think it is true when it comes to Apolytoners and their children (teenagers)?

iii) Do you think it's the fate of all older generations (past, current and future) to lag behind the younger ones when it comes to technological development and new gadgets? (I believe it was Douglas Adams who said that after 35 all innovations are completely incomprehensible)

Carolus

	12-07-2005 05:02									#2
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i) yes

ii) maybe, if they have children

iii) yes

	12-07-2005 05:07									#3
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Yes to all.

	12-07-2005 05:09									#4
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i can see this being a rather one sided poll.

	12-07-2005 05:11									#5
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there are some old people, who are at least decent

and I would say that there are some 30 year olds and 40 year olds, who I have no advantage of whatsoever

and I am more tech savy then most my age

I think that it depends on the person

maybe it will be true that the best young person, will always be between then the best older one

and that the average younger person will be more savvy then the average older person

but saying that older people just can't get it is definitely wrong, same with saying that young people do get it...

?JM

	12-07-2005 05:14									#6
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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney i can see this being a rather one sided poll.

It's the way of the world, I'm an old tw@t and even I've got to admit thats the way it is

	12-07-2005 05:15									#7
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i) eventually yes but not for kids below teen if you're computer literate

ii) no, because it depends on the level of parental supervision and knowledge

iii) yes and no - you get a level of comfort with technology but that doesn't mean you are stuck in a time warp - I have a mobile phone but I don't know how to text because I don't see a need for it. I could learn. Texting did however come in after I turned 35 .......

My oldest boy now goes on the internet to a site called mini-clip where he meets his friends to do medieval quests and stuff - I check the comp history to make sure he's not going elsewhere. I have ways to check even if the history is deleted.

I also set the google search to strict filtering, which is really quite effective for porn screening.

Their own computer is not online - I would have real difficulty with that.

I worry a lot about them being expose to porn because my friennds and I found some porn at quite a young age and it had very negative effects I think in terms of our personal growth.

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	12-07-2005 05:16									#8
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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney i can see this being a rather one sided poll.

It's not really a poll and, besides, you're welcome to come up with your own answers to any of the questions (or your own questions!).

Or do you always need the answers to be given? Sigh, that multiple choice-generation...

Carolus

	12-07-2005 05:19									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker ii) maybe, if they have children

Well... I would guess that people active here are more experienced with the Internet than the average (but perhaps more so 5 or 6 years ago?)... But then again, so are probably the young...

Carolus

	12-07-2005 05:31									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse I also set the google search to strict filtering, which is really quite effective for porn screening.

Yes, a lot in the program was about what to do to curb abuse; especially how to deal with perverted forms of porn (but who decides what the definition of that is?)...

A principal (headmaster?) at one swedish school said that the board had decided against using "Net Nannies"... They thought restrictions was the wrong way to go (+ it prevented many informative sites to be loaded)...

quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse I worry a lot about them being expose to porn because my friennds and I found some porn at quite a young age and it had very negative effects I think in terms of our personal growth.

Hm... I'm not biting...

Carolus

	12-07-2005 05:41									#11
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I think it helps if you make internet a privilege rather than a right. We still use dial up so that helps police it.

You also have to factor in natural curiosity so some exploring at an appropriate age is not unhealthy or a hanging offence imo.

Perhaps the hardest thing to accept as a parent is you can create a safe loving home environment but you can't shield your kids from the ugly side of life.

	12-07-2005 05:47									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Perhaps the hardest thing to accept as a parent is you can create a safe loving home environment but you can't shield your kids from the ugly side of life.

	12-07-2005 05:49									#13
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Sex isn't the ugly side of life. It is a beautiful thing. People think it's dirty because when they're kids they are hidden from it.

But AH has a point. Most sex on the internet is pretty ugly.

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Let your children see softporn then.

	12-07-2005 06:04									#15
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My oldest boy has a "girlfriend" named Glenn and they have a nice kind of school friendship which is age appropriate - maybe there's some kissing and holding hands involved but that's about it - it seems to be more about exploring the boy/girl thing - I wouldn't want that spoiled because it will be a happy memory for both of them later in life. Glenn is quite pretty.

Its weird when you have a boy and you meet a girl's parents because you want them to think you and your son "okay"

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quote: i) Do you think that it's representative in general (ie that most parents are outsmarted by their children regarding computers and the Internet)?

Most definitely. You can clearly see that the majority of IT specialists are young guys, in their early twenties mostly. Likewise, it's not uncommon for 14-20 year olds to be quite comfortable with computers. And in the same way, most 40 year olds are not quite comfortable with computers, either because they don't like them, haven't taken the time to learn them, etc. So yes, it's very representative and very true.

quote: ii) Do you think it is true when it comes to Apolytoners and their children (teenagers)?

I don't think that Apolytoners differ on this one, although they differ on a lot of things .

quote: iii) Do you think it's the fate of all older generations (past, current and future) to lag behind the younger ones when it comes to technological development and new gadgets? (I believe it was Douglas Adams who said that after 35 all innovations are completely incomprehensible)

Depends on the persons. I do know some people who are over 60 and keep up with the latest in techs and gadgets; there are excellent tech experts of that age as well. However for the most part, the older generation is indeed unwilling to use new technology, especially the more complex ones. Ask 50 year olds why they are not good with computers. Mostly, they'll say they don't want to bother.

	12-07-2005 06:45									#17
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1) Yes...

2) Less so than the average population...

3) Depends... I'm over 50 and started using computers before PC's... and stayed on top of technology... And my wife is a Computer Consultant with experience in all forms of computers/technology. We know far more technology then my kids do

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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Sex isn't the ugly side of life. It is a beautiful thing. People think it's dirty because when they're kids they are hidden from it. But AH has a point. Most sex on the internet is pretty ugly.

I was going to make a caveat about a lot of sex on the internet

but then you made it..

JM

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of course its also important for parents to cover their own tracks............................

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Sigh - Ming already beat me to the punch.

quote: 1) Yes... 2) Less so than the average population... 3) Depends...

In my case I'm in my forties, have been a geek since my teen years, have stayed mostly up to date on the technology if not the actual changes themselves, i.e. I don't do my programming in Java but I still program.

It all depends on your attitude, if you listen to your children and stay interested in what they do, and finally if you are willing to play the proper role of a parent, which includes the fact that ignorance is anything but bliss. I've raised someone else's teens, and they came to my wedding, so I speak from personal experience.

The porn bit I'm somewhat mixed up about. I was raised by a fundamentalist Roman Catholic father who was very sexually repressed (luckily for me my mother was not quite so screwed up). A little porn might have helped my appalling ignorance the first time I had sex, then again she was experienced, and I wanted to marry her, so it worked out pretty well anyway.

However, when my wife was in her last trimeter a couple of years ago, I went online for porn for the first time. She had become largely incapable of sex, a hundred pound women with an eight pound baby is both too naseous and too stuffed with the child for much of anything. I talked to her about it, and she was fine with it.

I was looking for people having a good time when having sex. Well, that is when I discovered about the newish trends in porn that includes the subjugation of the women. There has always been that kind of porn, but it had been a sort of the dirty backwater. Instead it's highly prevalent in online porn, and much of it is quite revolting. My wife found it amusing, because I wanted to see couples enjoying having sex together, and that is very much the exception in the online porn industry. She figured I spent more time finding online porn that I found sexy than I actually spent taking advantage of it. She asked me to figure it out, and I found less the 1% of the online porn actually sexy and good enough for repeat veiwing. :frown:

	12-07-2005 12:36									#21
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	12-07-2005 12:45									#22
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1. Yes
2. Depends. Yes in my case...
3. Sure they lag behind. But it''ll not be as bad with our generation as it was with that before. Take the famous mom-ability to program the video-recorder. We are used to try a bit and see how something works because we're surrounded by technical innovations every day. Especially older women, but many older men too, lack this ability. I don't know it, so I don't touch it...

	12-07-2005 12:48									#23
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I was always amazed that people couldn't program the time on their VCR. Or maybe that was just a lame joke stand up comedians used.

	12-07-2005 12:49									#24
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yeah shawn most porn is about power not sex

	12-07-2005 12:58									#25
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That's the ugly porn. The good forn is about fun.

	12-07-2005 13:07									#26
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The thing that makes tech tech is that it is new. As young people are learning new things faster than old people it is only natural that they are drawn to tech where their lack of experience is minimized while their ability to learn is more valuable.

Those who have been around the tech world for a while are also prone to becoming resistant to spending a lot of time learning yet another pile of otherwise useless information which will be almost completely obsolete within five years.

That said, my girlfriend's mother is in her eighties and is quite excited about computer technology. In many ways she's a nightmare for the tech savvy relative, as she knows just enough to load a lot of hardware and software on to her system, but not enough to avoid problems with foresight or to troubleshoot them after the fact.

	12-07-2005 13:37									#27
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Sikander . I assume you get the honors of fixing all of that, there is nothing like an enthusiatic amateur.

	12-07-2005 14:36									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I was always amazed that people couldn't program the time on their VCR. Or maybe that was just a lame joke stand up comedians used.

I refused for years to learn how the VCR worked, so that my little sister couldn't make me record shows.

	12-07-2005 14:50									#29
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quote: Originally posted by shawnmmcc Sikander . I assume you get the honors of fixing all of that, there is nothing like an enthusiatic amateur.

Thankfully she's in Denver and there are two other brothers in law who live closer and take the brunt. But whenever I visit there's some problem that needs a couple hours and an exorcist which she thinks I can fix in the 10 minutes before dinner.

	12-07-2005 15:02									#30
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1) Unfortunately, yes.

2) Dunno. I'm 24-26 so I can't really relate. I don't have kids. But then again, my thinking is 'so long as there isn't any offspring involved', OR they aren't developing crazy-a** fetishes.

3) Pretty sure. Although I gotta give the props to Ming in that he knows more about tech than his kids do. I try to stay on top, but it's too hard what with work, relationship probs, friends, and your own problems to deal with tech probs...unless that's in your field.