13-07-2005 20:30									#31
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Separation of Alberta is highly unlikely if the feds don't try to pull another National Energy Program. People here enjoy an affluent lifestyle and the government has what looks like lots of money so its difficult for the rank and file to get to upset about the fact that they could be even more affluent without Canada.

Secondly a LOT of "Albertans" moved here from elsewhere in Canada during their own lifetime and still feel strong links to their own home region. Alberta separation would hurt those regions economically.

Third, would regions of Alberta have the option to secede from Alberta?? I ask because anecdotally, it appears that the Fort MacMurray region ( with its billions of barrells of oil) is populated by people, a majority of whom were born in Newfoundland.

	13-07-2005 21:00									#32
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I just love this.

	13-07-2005 21:03									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Ninot I was never for the seperation of Quebec from Canada, but I always hoped that if the Parti Quebecois ever pulled it off, the American Government would find some reason to dislike Quebec to a point where they need to invade us and we become an American protectorate or even a state.

This, on the other hand, makes me

	13-07-2005 21:09									#34
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quebec shoulda seceeded and form their own state.

	13-07-2005 21:41									#35
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quote: The Trudeau delusion that you can build a credible nation with "national social programs" is so shallow it's absurd.

Nations with social programs

Canada
Sweden
USA
UK
Finland
France
Germany

Nations without social programs
Sudan
Rwanda
China
Mongolia

Nations where people want to live
Canada
Sweden
USA
UK
France
Germany
Finland

	13-07-2005 22:07									#36
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quote: Ben, move to Alberta and lead the revolution.

Nay, I was thinking of providing american 'support' for the revolution. I don't see why Alberta has to go at it alone, when they have their bosom buddies to the south.

	13-07-2005 22:29									#37
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Just like the support your bosom buddies are giving to the Albertan cattle industry right now.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher No one would miss the French, except for the French. People would be happy to see their provinces get more money with the French gone. People would miss the extra money they got (in the form of equalization payments) when the rich province leaves and stops paying the other provinces their allowance.

Read my post again. I specifically don't talk about your money, I'm talking about your people. I'm sure plenty of Canadians would feel relieved not to have to cope with Canda's Texans anymore

I bet the Québecois, as people, are better liked by the Canadians than the Albertans

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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I bet the Québecois, as people, are better liked by the Canadians than the Albertans

As a Québecois, i don't think thats right.

I've been out west and I've been to the Maritimes. They dont like us very much

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quote: Just like the support your bosom buddies are giving to the Albertan cattle industry right now.

They have a hard time taking a back seat to anyone, rather than taking over and doing things themselves.

	13-07-2005 23:21									#41
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quote: I'm sure plenty of Canadians would feel relieved not to have to cope with Canda's Texans anymore

Why? Texans are cool.

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quote: Originally posted by Ninot I've been out west and I've been to the Maritimes. They dont like us very much

This is precisely why I compared the unpopular Québecois to the uber-depised Albertans

	13-07-2005 23:53									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor This is precisely why I compared the unpopular Québecois to the uber-depised Albertans

People are jealous, what else is new.

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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Texans are cool.

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Yeah I can't think of too much I'm jealous of in Alberta. Quebec, well I hear Montreal has some of the most beautiful women on the planet. And Texas, well I can imagine the music/bar scene is just awesome.

	14-07-2005 00:24									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Asher People are jealous, what else is new.

As has already been said, you guys can secede but we'll partition out what we want to keep. Like the oil sands for example.

	14-07-2005 00:25									#46
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Nations with social programs Canada Sweden USA UK Finland France Germany Nations without social programs Sudan Rwanda China Mongolia Nations where people want to live Canada Sweden USA UK France Germany Finland

Countries that were a nation before they had social programmes:

Sweden
USA
UK
Finland
France
Germany
China
Mongolia

	14-07-2005 00:29									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu As has already been said, you guys can secede but we'll partition out what we want to keep. Like the oil sands for example.

You don't own them now, so how would that be keeping them?

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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu Like the oil sands

Gee with the oil sands gone nothing would be left but a bunch of cow patties.

Maybe those could be Alberta's new natural resource.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher You don't own them now, so how would that be keeping them?

A Quebecois getting this from a Canadian. This is hilarious!!!

	14-07-2005 00:52									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu A Quebecois getting this from a Canadian. This is hilarious!!!

Yes you both deserve each other. Your provinces should both seperate and together form your own country.

The entertainment value would be tremendous.

	14-07-2005 01:15									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist Countries that were a nation before they had social programmes: Sweden USA UK Finland France Germany China Mongolia

They were, but are you volunteering you would want to live in pre-social program Finland or France?

	14-07-2005 01:19									#52
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Historically, Alberta has always had the borders that it has. The same cannot be said for Northern Quebec. I suppose, one could ask the folks in Ft. McMurray if they would vote yea or nay, but I would be willing to say that they would vote with the rest of Alberta, unlike northern Quebec.

I find it very amusing that folks from Quebec are arguing that Alberta would need to be partioned should they wish to leave.

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You mean since all the way back in 1905?

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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi I suppose, one could ask the folks in Ft. McMurray if they would vote yea or nay, but I would be willing to say that they would vote with the rest of Alberta, unlike northern Quebec.

Thats a rather large leap of faith since separation is currently a fringe issue pretty much anywhere in Alberta. In Fort MacMurray with a large workforce that regularly travels to and from their homes in other provinces, one can deduce that separation would be even less popular. Even if there were economic benefits for them personally, do you think those workers would want to do something that would have a HUGE detrimental economic impact on their moms and dads "back home"

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How exactly is Canada sliding towards third-world-nation status?

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Apparently if your current government has some corruption charges to answer for, you're a rapidly declining third world economic catastrophe with a one-dimensional economy and a penchant for military dictatorships.

	14-07-2005 02:28									#58
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It's just some Albertan nutjob whining about the fact that the Liberals rule the roost...

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quote: Thats a rather large leap of faith since separation is currently a fringe issue pretty much anywhere in Alberta. In Fort MacMurray with a large workforce that regularly travels to and from their homes in other provinces, one can deduce that separation would be even less popular. Even if there were economic benefits for them personally, do you think those workers would want to do something that would have a HUGE detrimental economic impact on their moms and dads "back home"

That doesn't see to stop the folks from Quebec from contemplating separation, or was that sovereignty assocation, or whatever they are calling it nowadays?

Secondly, I'm not really in agreement with Alberta to remain a political entity in itself. I'm looking at it forming a union with the United States, which is a far more thought provoking and interesting option.

I think that so long as they have good jobs and can continue to keep the good jobs that aren't available in Newfoundland, then I don't think they will worry too much about the feds treat the folks back home. Last I checked, the Newfies were pulling down Canadian flags themselves.

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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell They were, but are you volunteering you would want to live in pre-social program Finland or France?

No, on account of one being stuffed by Frenchmen and the other by Finns.

Seriously, no, I rather like social programmes, but so what? It doesn't address the question whether a nation can be forged by social programmes.