14-07-2005 12:42									#91
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Actually, Canada is a place I'd be willing to emigrate to, if I ever wanted to emigrate again.

I admit that I porbably wouldn't go to Alberta tho

	14-07-2005 12:58									#92
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"again"? are you calling your puny moving during school time emigrating?

	14-07-2005 12:59									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Actually, Canada is a place I'd be willing to emigrate to, if I ever wanted to emigrate again. I admit that I porbably wouldn't go to Alberta tho

Come to Vancouver.

	14-07-2005 13:00									#94
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Best climate in the whole country

(Climate is the reason why the only US place I could tolerate to live in is Portland)

	14-07-2005 13:02									#95
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wuss.

	14-07-2005 13:03									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I admit that I porbably wouldn't go to Alberta tho

Again demonstrating the lack of taste well known in Frenchmen.

	14-07-2005 13:21									#97
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Jeeze, how did I miss this one? OK, if the right wing nuts want to take Alberta out of confederation, they're gonna have to leave Edmonton. Hell no, we won't go!

	14-07-2005 13:23									#98
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I don't think they want us.

	14-07-2005 13:24									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Az wuss.

That's Breton, not wuss

	14-07-2005 15:15									#100
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Aside from keeping dips on the hydrocarbons, why allow Alberta into NAFTA? What does Alberta make that can't be made just as easily in, say, Ontario or other places?

* Starchild enjoys seeing the Lesser Provinces whine

	14-07-2005 17:25									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Quit being so obtuse, nye...the vast majority of corporations in Alberta wouldn't flee if Alberta left. Why would they?

Because alienating a 30+million people market to keep a 3 million people market isn't something corporations do. Welcome to the dark side.

	14-07-2005 17:37									#102
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Hmmm. 3 million Albertans. 3 million Welsh.

* Starchild begins plotting an Evil Plan ^tm

	14-07-2005 17:51									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Starchild Hmmm. 3 million Albertans. 3 million Welsh. * Starchild begins plotting an Evil Plan tm

* Richelieu can't wait to see how the Welch are going to do at the Stampede *

	14-07-2005 18:22									#104
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Hmmm. I thought it was BMO. I am finding it difficult to find anyone claiming to be from Calgary. There is a CoCalgary site claiming Bank of Nova Scotia. I know one of the chartereds moved there. Maybe they have moved out again due to the bad climate.

That's because there are no major banks based in Calgary. Bank of Nova Scotia is based in Toronto, as is BMO.

That's because banks are not a mainstay of the Calgary economy, as I was saying.

There would not be a massive exodus of companies leaving Calgary if Alberta seperated. Might be a few here and there, but the even lower tax environment and higher standard of living may just bring more people in.

	14-07-2005 19:55									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi That doesn't see to stop the folks from Quebec from contemplating separation, or was that sovereignty assocation, or whatever they are calling it nowadays?

Quebec makes the point not disputes it. Generally only francophones are interested in separation. It is incredibly unpopular among anglophones and allophones and pretty much anyone that has come to Quebec from ANYWHERE outside Quebec. Put bluntly, many francophone Qubecers have no family connections outside Quebec.

quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Secondly, I'm not really in agreement with Alberta to remain a political entity in itself. I'm looking at it forming a union with the United States, which is a far more thought provoking and interesting option.

NO thank you

quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi I think that so long as they have good jobs and can continue to keep the good jobs that aren't available in Newfoundland, then I don't think they will worry too much about the feds treat the folks back home. Last I checked, the Newfies were pulling down Canadian flags themselves.

Two points

1. No matter how newfoundlanders (in NL or AB or anywhere else) feel about Canada, they generally have a strong and long-lasting connection to Newfoundland

2. Yes the premier pulled down the canadian flag in a protest and it worked to attain his goals . . . Generally however, Newfoundland separation is proposed by only a fringe few and people are happy to be part of Canada

	14-07-2005 19:58									#106
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quote: Quebec makes the point not disputes it. Generally only francophones are interested in separation. It is incredibly unpopular among anglophones and allophones and pretty much anyone that has come to Quebec from ANYWHERE outside Quebec. Put bluntly, many francophone Qubecers have no family connections outside Quebec.

But also note that not all Francophones are seperatists. Some french communities are very heavy in seperatist values, and some french communities dearly love Canada.

In some cases, political alliegence would seem to run along the lines of standard of living, but not always.

	14-07-2005 20:03									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor This thread is absolutely fantastic. Asher not only managed to piss off the Canadians from outside Alberta, he also managed to piss off the one other resident Albertan!

"THE" ONE other resident Albertan ??? AM I so unknown??

	14-07-2005 20:16									#108
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Well, you don't sound like an Albertan at all

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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Well, you don't sound like an Albertan at all

Really -- folks like kidicious and agathon seem to think I am a corporatist rightie ( which I assume is what you would mean by "sound like an Albertan")

I've only been here 4 years so maybe it takes a while for the WHOLESALE shift to the right to occurr

	14-07-2005 20:58									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber Really -- folks like kidicious and agathon seem to think I am a corporatist rightie ( which I assume is what you would mean by "sound like an Albertan")

Well, you have neither the "I have oil so I'm the best, you idiot" attitude, nor do you have really passeist perceptions that are expected from such a backwater

How can we possible guess you're from Alberta

	14-07-2005 21:05									#111
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quote: The cattle ranchers are on life support. There isn't enough slaughter capacity up here (yet) to ship enough boxed beef (allowed) and the border remains closed to live animals going south (where the slaughter capacity got moved some years ago).

Interesting. Moving up the slaughter capacity in Canada, and then shipping the beef down to the US. Sounds like a great deal for Canada.

	14-07-2005 21:06									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor How can we possible guess you're from Alberta

I believe this is where you are in error..

Flubber - Hometown please?

	14-07-2005 21:08									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Well, you have neither the "I have oil so I'm the best, you idiot" attitude, nor do you have really passeist perceptions that are expected from such a backwater How can we possible guess you're from Alberta

What does "passeist " mean? Dictionary.com did not know either.

More generally I am originally from a far bigger "backwater" than Alberta could ever be. I grew up in rural Newfoundland.

Yes Alberta is conservative but I think more often its fiscal conservatism arising from affluence. It is also socially conservative compared to the rest of Canada but less so than is often portrayed. There are lots of social liberals in the ranks of the provincial Conservatives

	14-07-2005 21:10									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Wezil I believe this is where you are in error.. Flubber - Hometown please?

My home is in Calgary Alberta. I was born in a tiny Newfoundland town

Edit -- and to be precise, he called NYE "the only other resident Albertan" --- I am definitely a resident Albertan

	14-07-2005 21:14									#115
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quote: Quebec makes the point not disputes it. Generally only francophones are interested in separation. It is incredibly unpopular among anglophones and allophones and pretty much anyone that has come to Quebec from ANYWHERE outside Quebec. Put bluntly, many francophone Qubecers have no family connections outside Quebec.

That's a problem right there for unity, if the Quebeckers remain enclosed within themselves.

The primary reason why the anglophones in Quebec don't want Quebec to separate is not because of family connections in the rest of Canada, but because of how Quebec treats Anglophones. If Quebec separates, there would be an exodus of anglophones, as my uncle did, in leaving Montreal for New Hampshire.

As for union with the United States, why not? Then you would have access to an international port without having to cross national boundaries. It seems to me a vastly superior option that going at it alone. Another option would be forming a union with BC, and I know Northern BC would be inclined to such an arrangement, since that is where I am from. You'd even have access to a port in Prince Rupert.

quote: 1. No matter how newfoundlanders (in NL or AB or anywhere else) feel about Canada, they generally have a strong and long-lasting connection to Newfoundland 2. Yes the premier pulled down the canadian flag in a protest and it worked to attain his goals . . . Generally however, Newfoundland separation is proposed by only a fringe few and people are happy to be part of Canada

Many Newfies still complain about joining Canada, and the deal made to bring Newfoundland into Canada in the first place. I don't see the indication that they are unwilling to play the separation game, since they have shown a willingness to pull down the flag.

I think, given their oil revenues, they are going to look more and more at Norway, rather than having to share them with the rest of Canada. And I don't think they will be the last to play the separation card, since that has proven to be the most effective way to get the attention of the federal government. Quebec is teaching all the other provinces that they need to look out for themselves first and Canada second.

	14-07-2005 21:15									#116
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TBH, the only reason I'm trolling the Albertans in this thread is because I got to know them through Asher. It affected my perception of Albertans somewhat

(In other words: I wasn't looking for a serious discussion on the Albertans)

	14-07-2005 21:16									#117
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Since we are revealing hometowns, I was born in Burnaby BC, and I grew up in Prince George, BC since I was 3.

	14-07-2005 21:19									#118
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Hey! We are not that bad!

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quote: Originally posted by Flubber My home is in Calgary Alberta. I was born in a tiny Newfoundland town Edit -- and to be precise, he called NYE "the only other resident Albertan" --- I am definitely a resident Albertan

Yes, I saw the resident bit, but as you know your roots are probably more influential than your current address unless you've been there a considerable length of time.

I suspected you were from the east coast. I was thinking Nova Scotia for some reason (school?).

Ben - My first gf moved to Burnaby when we were young (don't ask). Broke my heart.

I'm Ontario born and raised. Born in Peterborough but have lived in most parts of the province for varying lengths of time. Currently in London.

	14-07-2005 21:29									#120
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Well, I was born in the hospital in Burnaby. My folks lived out in Langley, in the Fraser Valley, but I don't have any memories of my life there.

My earliest memories are of Prince George, in the house we lived in before we moved into the house where my parents still live in today. So it doesn't make much sense to say that I am from Langley, since I don't remember anything from there.