16-08-2005 20:25									#601
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Because Riddle said he needed to see the headmaster, and hey, I'm a good boy, you don't need to escort me or anything.

	16-08-2005 20:28									#602
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And you think this would work, because?

When Harry has to see the headmaster, McGonnigal goes with him (and this is the Boy Who Lived). I doubt Slughorn is going to say, ok, here it is.

	16-08-2005 20:34									#603
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Riddle is Head Boy, he's the headmaster's favorite, he's very in with Slughorn... I don't see why Slughorn would see it as a big deal. Hell, Hermione got Lockhart to sign off on a pass to the Restricted section.

	16-08-2005 20:39									#604
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Riddle is Head Boy, he's the headmaster's favorite, he's very in with Slughorn... I don't see why Slughorn would see it as a big deal. Hell, Hermione got Lockhart to sign off on a pass to the Restricted section.

Yes, and Lockhart was a twit. I don't see Slughorn just giving up the headmaster's password no matter how much he likes the boy.

I point to Harry again. Harry is the Boy Who Lived. He is the headmaster's favorite. McGonnigal still doesn't just give him the password and say up you go. She says it in front of him, but the password frequently changes and she's with him until he meets the headmaster. Other times, Dumbledore has to give Harry the password. I don't think Slughorn is a ditz like Lockhart, but being a long time professor, more like McGonnigal in accompanying students if they want to see the headmaster.

Especially with Dippet, a Slytherin, in charge. I'm sure that a Slytherin headmaster may be less trusting and thus require many checks.

	16-08-2005 20:45									#605
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Using anything in the headmaster's office would mean another death before Riddle left Hogwarts. We know that Myrtle was the only person he killed until he went back to murder his father after leaving school, and I remain convinced that he couldn't have used her death to make a horcrux. Bet you anything that neither the hat or the sword are horcruxes.

	16-08-2005 21:18									#606
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off subject slightly

one thing I found interesting in book 4 is that Rowling had the son turn out so evil

like at first it seemed like oh, how could he do that to his own family, his own son, a kid

but then it turns out that he is really evil, and carries out evil...

JM

	16-08-2005 22:31									#607
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Well, well, well. Someone's not doing his job. 600 posts already I bet you'll manage to get to 650 posts before someone notices it.

	16-08-2005 22:33									#608
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo Well, well, well. Someone's not doing his job. 600 posts already I bet you'll manage to get to 650 posts before someone notices it.

damn. The charm on the mods wasnt enough. We should have put the charm on everybody using the board.

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quote: one thing I found interesting in book 4 is that Rowling had the son turn out so evil

You mean Percy in Book 5?

quote: The charm on the mods wasnt enough. We should have put the charm on everybody using the board.

	17-08-2005 05:17									#610
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No, I think he means Barty Crouch, Jr.

	17-08-2005 05:40									#611
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I want to hurt Percy very badly.

	17-08-2005 05:45									#612
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Percy's just a pompous, social-climbing ass. He's a less personable and less funny version of Slughorn. Harmless.

	17-08-2005 05:46									#613
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Slughorn isn't quite the jackass Percy is. And I don't think Slughorn would really speak against Dumbledore - he has his heart in the right place, mostly, unlike Percy.

	17-08-2005 09:05									#614
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer No, I think he means Barty Crouch, Jr.

Ah, that son. I keep forgetting about him.


Oh, and Slughorn is a decent guy deep down. He's just ambitious is all. Even good guys can have a good deal of ambition.

	18-08-2005 06:47									#615
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I actually really like Slughorn. He's a cool guy, and seems like a good teacher.

	18-08-2005 07:29									#616
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I like him too. Too bad we're only gonna be able to enjoy him for two books.

	18-08-2005 18:40									#617
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But he'll live on forever in fanfic .

	18-08-2005 18:49									#618
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I demand that they let the Coffee Shop live this long.

	18-08-2005 18:53									#619
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Take it to the Community forum!

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui But he'll live on forever in fanfic .

Great. I guess we can count on innumerable sexual liasions between Harry and Slughorn...

	18-08-2005 21:05									#621
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ewww

	18-08-2005 21:37									#622
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slughorn is rather different from Percy - Percy is a climber who takes advantage of networks. Slughorn is a very different type - he doesnt use contacts to get ahead so much as the creation and maintenance of his networks is his role. This is a definite type - if youve ever been in a job search where youve tried to a lot of networking, coming upon someone like this is invaluable. OTOH Slughorn is a specific type of network maintainer - the keeper of the old boy network. This is apparently even more of a social type in the UK than it is the US, and is tied very much to prep schools - thus we speak of "old school ties" and all that - and we forget thats what Hogwarts is modeled after at some level - what we in the US call a prep school, and brits call a public school.

Slughorn is thus in line with JKRs satire of certain british upper class social types - the imperial braggart - Lockhart - the rigid bureaucrat - Umbridge, etc.

	19-08-2005 03:54									#623
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One of the things I noticed about Felix - I bet you always drink just the right amount for whatever you want to do, that's part of its power. When Harry took it to get the memory, it lasted almost exactly as long as he needed, and not much more.

	19-08-2005 03:59									#624
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker One of the things I noticed about Felix - I bet you always drink just the right amount for whatever you want to do, that's part of its power. When Harry took it to get the memory, it lasted almost exactly as long as he needed, and not much more.

The only problem is that wouldn't you get lucky when the potion hit your stomach and not before? Or are you saying he sipped the potion and then know exactly the right amount?

	19-08-2005 04:01									#625
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Well, the luck isn't exclusively once you drink it - for instance, when it was boiling in Slughorn's cauldron, not a drop was going over the edge.

	19-08-2005 04:21									#626
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True, but Harry didn't feel lucky & confident until he actually put it to his lips and took a swig, and then slowly, but surely, the feeling came over him.

	19-08-2005 04:29									#627
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Actually, that potions scene is interesting for another reason. The potions in the cauldrons are all vaguely important to the plots.

Book four: Polyjuice potion keeping Crouch Moody-shaped.
The book is more or less about identity. Finding it, stealing it, killing your parents to hide it.

Book five: Veritaserum in the "where is Dumbledore" scene, etc.
The book about truth, deception, and the correct times to employ each, and recognise each.

Book six: Felix felicis
On the nature of luck versus planning? Slytherins- Voldemort, Slughorn and Malfoy are very careful about doing things carefully and properly to come out on top, each in their own way to their own ends, of course. Harry does just seem to get through life with a bucket of luck and a soul of love.

Book seven must then be Amortentia. But we already knew that book seven was all about love, and Harry finding and realising it. The interesting question is who will be taking Amortentia, and why.

	19-08-2005 04:31									#628
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui True, but Harry didn't feel lucky & confident until he actually put it to his lips and took a swig, and then slowly, but surely, the feeling came over him.

Before it is drunk, the potion only affects its own fate. Presumably it has some sort of self-preservation or self-utility instinct which it influences events for its own luck. Thus it does not spill, nor does it allow itself to be wasted when drunk.

	19-08-2005 04:33									#629
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However, the self preservation instinct works well when it is just by itself, but how can it influence another person? Unless, what you are saying is that allots the perfect amount of time to do certain tasks after drunk?

	19-08-2005 04:35									#630
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Perhaps having exactly the right amount of itself drunk by the person is the endeavour which the potion wishes to succeed. And luckily, it does.