02-09-2005 06:07									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Moonbars I disagree here. We should become involved in the anti-horde alliance. they are our enemies.. well, this is true.. but remember even before we lost 5 immortals, we where "weak" to the horde. I'd say they can easily take on all the rememaining teams and still win.

This is where our views diverge.

We spent a lot of time drafting and signing a peace treaty with the Horde. Granted they have some maverick members, but Paddy maintains ultimate control and is committed to our alliance, at least for the time being. That is of course, unless we continue to piss them off severely.

My comment about the Horde not being able to win against the other 3 teams stands - the context is, yes they may be able to defeat the 3 other teams, but they will be substantially weakened and will then not be able to defeat the fourth team if that team is strong......and the fourth team must be us!

	02-09-2005 14:52									#92
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THe horde will finish Euphorica at very little cost. it's ACs and Med Inf against spears.

AM has tied up Babylon very nicely.
LB has almost no military

The horde will very quickly gain the advantage over these teams, and we'll still be much weaker than them.

	06-09-2005 06:00									#93
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1025BC

Nothing much to report.

I changed IS and Aquarius to Settlers as per various recent discussions - each will be completed next turn. This will bring those 2 towns down to 3 pop, though IS grows to 4 in 2 turns. I suggest we then concentrate on Pikes/Immortals in those towns.

A new town was founded this turn out east on the hill near the Wheat. Another town will be founded out west next turn. We then will have 2 new Settlers next turn who need a home.

SD is still building 1-turn workers for the time being, and will probably build them intermittantly with other units until we have the Worker pump at Mt. Massacre up and running (in another government).

Stack near Euphorica continued to retreat to the road and an Immortal was moved there and forted - we did a deal with Snoopy promising to not attack him again if he lets our stack escape to heal). BOH moved onto the road as promised - they are 2 turns away from Beach boys, and have just moved a new stack full of Horses and AC to join up with their infantry.

Euphorica will be history within 3 or 4 turns.

Paddy has asked me for a ROP through our lands so they can get to the LB quicker. I told him I would be deposed from the leadership if I even suggested such a thing

	06-09-2005 10:20									#94
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good answer. I might have pointed out it doesn't save him much due to our roads going mainly through, rather than around, our cities, but your answer is much better

Could tell him that if he gifts us 5 or 6 cities to hold as collateral, we'd let him have an ROP

	10-09-2005 03:35									#95
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1000bc - I have played the save.

We finished 2 settlers and a worker in our core. I sent both settlers across the southern river as shown below, imo the best land is there, and it's also a log way away from any misadventures by the Horde.

Switched both settler cities to Pikes, and Marcopolis as well. Founded coldwood. I withdrew our stack to the road outside Sidon Phoenix.

Moved a worker to do a forest chop near Sardis (hurry a barracks, then Pikes)

*** And now some pictures ***

The Horde in the North..

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The contents of that stack:

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	10-09-2005 03:38									#97
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Proposed city sites in the South East (2 settlers have crossed the river.. only one shown in picture.) Comments please..

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	13-09-2005 15:05									#98
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975 BC played.

Barb horseman spawned in the camp, have delayed the settlers and worker on the tile where the worker is in the picture above, and moved the Immortal direction 2.

Stack has reached Sidon Phoenix, spears continued south to upgrade at barracks.

LBs have completed their road.

	19-09-2005 19:41									#99
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925BC

Nothing much to report. Upgraded a Pike after taking a Barb camp with an Immortal. New towns will be founded to the southeast as per Moonbars' suggested positions, though I'd also like one north of the capital and another west of the lake. 2 more Settlers being built, along with a Pike, Horseman and Immortal.

Granary in Mount Massacre continues, with Barracks in all other towns. Probably should switch some of those over to Courthouses or Markets.

Plato advised they no longer need our Worker as they will complete the road themselves, so I've moved him away.

6 Immortals in Sidon Phoenix will be fully healed next turn.

	19-09-2005 19:56									#100
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By the way, I believe we should be accepting new member applications.....as long as we are satisfied they can be trusted and are not spies of another team or worse.

Comments?

	19-09-2005 20:08									#101
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I think more members will complicate things. More opinions means more dissent. I think you and Moonbars are doing a very good job and should one of you have to bail then I can jump in. I'm following the game even though I don't post much.

	19-09-2005 20:21									#102
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i think more members would be good, seeing as Sabre Trip and Solomwi seem to be very lurker-esque these days - - dont know if we have any applicants since Golden Bear joined babylon.

Aqua did u upgrade both the spears, or just one?

As to my proposed sites, we have two settlers, and 3 good sites.. the one by the fish is a definate, but I am split over the other two sites.

	21-09-2005 19:33									#103
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900BC

We need to think about our next move....we are drifting a little.

Euphorica will be gone soon, and AM looks like they will take the Babs out next. Our most logical move is to attack LB while they remain militarily weak and steal a few cities, perhaps to make Republic more worthwhile.

Then we should encourage BOH to become more aggressive against AM, build our defences against the eventual BOH attack (hopefully when we are the last 2 civs) and then defeat them economically while we beeline for Cavalry.

Anyone agree?

Oh, I upgraded only one Spear as I want to get to Engineering in 3 turns.

	21-09-2005 19:43									#104
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Oh, and I'd like to start building a few Marketplaces soons to underpin our economy. If we choose Republic, we'll need them.

	21-09-2005 19:56									#105
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I want to build our defences and use settlers to expand. Once there is no more land to be taken peacefully we can think about attacking. I am not in favour of attacking anyone else.

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we'll be out of land to *safely* claim in about 3 settlers (not counting the 2 already on the map). That however is quite a few cities. The Horde claim to be gifting us beach boys once they take it, if so we could settle the land between there and Sidon Phoenix as well.

Marketplaces: Definetly Not. Pikes, Barracks, Libraries, in that order for the next 10 turns or so. Maybe if the Horde really dont attack us next, then we might make some in our core cities.

We cannot even think about attacking the Lost Boys until the Horde has attacked somebody else and we KNOW we are not next on their list.

RE: upgrading and Eng - I was thinking that when we found the city this turn, we'd have enough extra GPT to afford to keep on schedule for Eng in 3, might have been wrong.

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	22-09-2005 17:02									#107
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I prefer Marketplaces over Libraries. This game will not go long enough for us to need the extra research superiority.

	22-09-2005 17:36									#108
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I agree with marketplaces. We'll need them to support units once we move to Republic.