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lord of the mark
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
time: 00:20
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Originally posted by JohnT
1. You are not me. My motivations are my own, regardless of what you might interpret from the OP. I didn't mention my daughter in the OP because of the particular audience I'm speaking to - if I were at the SDMB, for example, the OP would likely be different as the audience composition is different. (More adults with children at the SDMB is one obvious example.)
2. To answer your question, no, it would not. Sophie recognizes and is attracted to "The Incredibles." People using that specific imagery to attract children to their pet causes know exactly what they're doing - else why not come up with their own cartoons?
3. That should read "a familiar, stolen, brand."
Please note that we named the child "Sophia", which means "wisdom" in the original Greek. This wasn't done by mistake - we wanted a common first name, not Christian, that meant something that was important to us. If we wanted to help her be susceptable to supernatural bullshit, we would've called her "Mysticia" or something.
We didn't fully escape the Christian heritage in her middle name, "Caroline", which to many people refers to carols. However, we found references to old-English definitions of "Caroline" as "joyful song", which to us was perfect: Wisdom, joy, and music is the foundation of our childs name, not gullibility, backwardness, and mysticism. |
I dont want my child to be drawn to christian fundamentalism either, John. Ive done my best to give her a good foundation in both Judaism AND rational thinking (which i dont consider incompatible) Whatever it is you positively believe in, give it your child - you cant, i repeat cant, keep her from temptation by driving it away. So they dont use IP, so what? They can and will, use lots of stuff thats a lot more tempting - the promise of belonging, a warm loving community, rules to live by, etc. If you want to preempt that, than find those things elsewhere.
and even then, even if you do the most a parent can do, there are no guarantees. Your daughter could end up a communist, a Pentecostal, an anarchist, a Hindu, or even a Reform Jew. You do your best in soul shaping, but at some point, as Omar Khayyam says, you release the bow, and let the arrow fly, and you accept that you cant control where it hits.
Youre at a stage where your child is AWARE, and starting to become susceptible to certain things. ANd that naturally triggers anxieties. Which i think you are taking out on this IP violation, which certainly isnt the real issue (Stealing, havent we been told at length that an IP violation isnt stealing? What if it WAS mickey mouse, which most of us agree SHOULD be public domain by now?) 1. Keep it in perspective - there are some of us who are an even smaller minority than you secularists, and we've have such fears in multiple directions, but we manage 2. You live in Tennessee dont you? I mean i know the right to live anywhere is prized and all that, but theres a certain level of reasonable expectations. I choose to live in a place with a large Jewish community (and a large RATIONALIST jewish community, i might add) If you want your kid to be a secularist, you might consider moving somewhere where there is a more supportive community for that. I mean growing up in Tennessee this is gonna be inevitable, I think.
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Jonny
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Nashville, Tennessee, USA
Nov 2000
time: 23:20
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Originally posted by lord of the mark
If you want your kid to be a secularist, you might consider moving somewhere where there is a more supportive community for that. I mean growing up in Tennessee this is gonna be inevitable, I think. |
Perhaps a bit more difficult to avoid, but by no means inevitable. Particularly in the more urban areas. While Christianity in the south has perhaps been a more driving force in society than it has in other places of the nation, it is not the all-powerful, overbearing social aspect that some people believe it to be, and perhaps also weaker than it once was.
I've lived here my entire life, and I feel that I've grown up to be pretty darned secular. Then again, maybe things are more different in the eastern parts than I believe them to be...
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Last Conformist
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of Calakmul
Jul 2003
time: 06:20
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quote:
Originally posted by JohnT
We didn't fully escape the Christian heritage in her middle name, "Caroline", which to many people refers to carols. However, we found references to old-English definitions of "Caroline" as "joyful song", which to us was perfect: Wisdom, joy, and music is the foundation of our childs name, not gullibility, backwardness, and mysticism. |
Um? Surely, Caroline is a derivative of Germanic karl "free man"?
Edit: A quick check confirms that that is the case.
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lord of the mark
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
time: 00:20
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For POTM
"May God bless and keep you always,
May your wishes all come true,
May you always do for others
And let others do for you.
May you build a ladder to the stars
And climb on every rung,
May you stay forever young,
Forever young, forever young,
May you stay forever young.
May you grow up to be righteous,
May you grow up to be true,
May you always know the truth
And see the lights surrounding you.
May you always be courageous,
Stand upright and be strong,
May you stay forever young,
Forever young, forever young,
May you stay forever young.
May your hands always be busy,
May your feet always be swift,
May you have a strong foundation
When the winds of changes shift.
May your heart always be joyful,
May your song always be sung,
May you stay forever young,
Forever young, forever young,
May you stay forever young."
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Kuciwalker
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of Schmooism
Feb 2001
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Job?
xpost
Last edited by Kuciwalker on 20-07-2005 at 23:59
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Wiglaf
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Cambridge
Dec 2000
time: 23:20
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Please note that we named the child "Sophia", which means "wisdom" in the original Greek. This wasn't done by mistake - we wanted a common first name, not Christian, that meant something that was important to us. If we wanted to help her be susceptable to supernatural bullshit, we would've called her "Mysticia" or something.
We didn't fully escape the Christian heritage in her middle name, "Caroline", which to many people refers to carols. However, we found references to old-English definitions of "Caroline" as "joyful song", which to us was perfect: Wisdom, joy, and music is the foundation of our childs name, not gullibility, backwardness, and mysticism. |
Yeah..go JohnT, you can make fun of Christians while acting overly self-important. That's never been done before. (Although, to give you credit, I don't think anyone has been so vapid and useless as to brag about it on the internet)
I also don't think you're very intelligent, so it's especially humorous that you can dismiss thousands of years of theology as "backwards" while you dine at Chili's and grin wildly while fellow nerds express their support for you. As soon as people start referring to everything with such general and insulting flair, then we'll really be getting somewhere in America, won't we John?
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Agathon
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Leafs 4TW!! - CPA
Dec 2002
time: 00:20
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Originally posted by JohnT
Eh, in another thread you were the one who pointed out the Greek etymological origins of the name Sophie. So you were in agreement with me then, but are not now.
Get your facts together!  |
No. I agree with you. σοφία is a lovely word. In some respects it is anti-religious, since it is a philosophical ideal rather than a religious one. But in Greek philosophy there is a blurring of boundaries between the philosophical and religious. For example, neoplatonists would regard wisdom as being acheived by an ecstatic union with the Godhead. For Plato, Socrates and Aristotle σοφία is a valuable state precisely because it is in some respects Godlike.
Straight from the horse's mouth:
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If happiness is activity in accordance with virtue, it is reasonable that it should be in accordance with the highest virtue; and this will be that of the best thing in us. Whether it be reason or something else that is this element which is thought to be our natural ruler and guide and to take thought of things noble and divine, whether it be itself also divine or only the most divine element in us, the activity of this in accordance with its proper virtue will be perfect happiness. That this activity is contemplative we have already said.
Now this would seem to be in agreement both with what we said before and with the truth. For, firstly, this activity is the best (since not only is reason the best thing in us, but the objects of reason are the best of knowable objects); and secondly, it is the most continuous, since we can contemplate truth more continuously than we can do anything. And we think happiness has pleasure mingled with it, but the activity of philosophic wisdom is admittedly the pleasantest of virtuous activities; at all events the pursuit of it is thought to offer pleasures marvellous for their purity and their enduringness, and it is to be expected that those who know will pass their time more pleasantly than those who inquire. And the self-sufficiency that is spoken of must belong most to the contemplative activity. For while a philosopher, as well as a just man or one possessing any other virtue, needs the necessaries of life, when they are sufficiently equipped with things of that sort the just man needs people towards whom and with whom he shall act justly, and the temperate man, the brave man, and each of the others is in the same case, but the philosopher, even when by himself, can contemplate truth, and the better the wiser he is; he can perhaps do so better if he has fellow-workers, but still he is the most self-sufficient. And this activity alone would seem to be loved for its own sake; for nothing arises from it apart from the contemplating, while from practical activities we gain more or less apart from the action. And happiness is thought to depend on leisure; for we are busy that we may have leisure, and make war that we may live in peace. Now the activity of the practical virtues is exhibited in political or military affairs, but the actions concerned with these seem to be unleisurely. Warlike actions are completely so (for no one chooses to be at war, or provokes war, for the sake of being at war; any one would seem absolutely murderous if he were to make enemies of his friends in order to bring about battle and slaughter); but the action of the statesman is also unleisurely, and-apart from the political action itself-aims at despotic power and honours, or at all events happiness, for him and his fellow citizens-a happiness different from political action, and evidently sought as being different. So if among virtuous actions political and military actions are distinguished by nobility and greatness, and these are unleisurely and aim at an end and are not desirable for their own sake, but the activity of reason, which is contemplative, seems both to be superior in serious worth and to aim at no end beyond itself, and to have its pleasure proper to itself (and this augments the activity), and the self-sufficiency, leisureliness, unweariedness (so far as this is possible for man), and all the other attributes ascribed to the supremely happy man are evidently those connected with this activity, it follows that this will be the complete happiness of man, if it be allowed a complete term of life (for none of the attributes of happiness is incomplete).
But such a life would be too high for man; for it is not in so far as he is man that he will live so, but in so far as something divine is present in him; and by so much as this is superior to our composite nature is its activity superior to that which is the exercise of the other kind of virtue. If reason is divine, then, in comparison with man, the life according to it is divine in comparison with human life. But we must not follow those who advise us, being men, to think of human things, and, being mortal, of mortal things, but must, so far as we can, make ourselves immortal, and strain every nerve to live in accordance with the best thing in us; for even if it be small in bulk, much more does it in power and worth surpass everything. This would seem, too, to be each man himself, since it is the authoritative and better part of him. It would be strange, then, if he were to choose not the life of his self but that of something else. And what we said before' will apply now; that which is proper to each thing is by nature best and most pleasant for each thing; for man, therefore, the life according to reason is best and pleasantest, since reason more than anything else is man. This life therefore is also the happiest. |
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20-07-2005 22:49
You evil theiving bastard! I can't wait to see Lucus come and sue your shul you evil bastard. How dare you promote something as filthy as religion - any religion. You and your kind should be stamped out. 
ACK!
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