22-07-2005 07:18									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Snotty If we catch a failed suicide bomber, do we treat them as a prisoner of war?

No. They are not soldiers. They'll get numerous counts of attempted murder and life imprisonment.

	22-07-2005 07:33									#62
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I think his sentence should be to be held up in a public square and laughed at.

	22-07-2005 14:22									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove The Iraqi terrorists have been known to deliberately attack foreigners from nations with nothing more than humanitarian missions in Iraq. They don't seem to make the distinacition between the two, they're all invaders to them If the terrorists operating in Europe share the same viewpoint then Germany or even Greece could become a target.

I don't think you understand the motives of terrorist tactics, at least those that aim at foreigners in Iraq (be they western citizens or diplomats from other countries).

The Iraqi terrorists consider that anything which plays in favour of the stabilization of Iraq goes against their interests, as it favours the stabilization of the current government.

The NGO workers, be they American or Greek, contribute to alleviate the problems the terrorists cause. As they kill some NGO workers (and as they give the clear message that your nationality won't protect you), they scare current NGO workers into leaving, and more importantly, they scare potential workers into not coming.

Same with diplomats. Ever since the UN has lost his local director, the UN has stopped to have any significant role in Iraq.

Their eventual objective is to isolate the US, so that only the US remains, and so that the occupation (and the "collaboration" with the current government) will be much weaker. If they keep up with their quagmire long enough, the isolated US could even leave the country to its own devices, to its own civil war.

And this is exactly what these murderers want.

	22-07-2005 14:33									#64
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I would have to agree that this would be one of the main goals...................... in my opinion.

	22-07-2005 14:46									#65
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Al Qaeda group claims responsibility for attack on Thursday saying
‘‘Our attack in the heart of the infidel British capital is nothing but a message to all European governments that we will not rest until all the infidel troops leave Iraq,’’ said the statement by the Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades dated July 22.


Also, suspect shot at an Underground station.

	22-07-2005 16:01									#66
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm

According to BBC it sounds more like an execution than anything else.

And thankfully these clods botched the job, otherwise it´s be like last time...

	22-07-2005 16:16									#67
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Wait - the police restrained him, and then killed him? Britain is a scary place.

	22-07-2005 16:21									#68
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Who knows? Police suicide bomber policy, shoot to kill perhaps

	22-07-2005 16:29									#69
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He could've threatened to blow himself up or something when they were on top. TBH he wanted to be martyred, got his wish, let's not complain.

	22-07-2005 16:45									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker I think his sentence should be to be held up in a public square and laughed at.

If we take Islamic ideas of honour into account , then that is a rather harsh punishment ( though , for scum like this , it's not harsh enough ) .

	22-07-2005 17:06									#71
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"the war was done despite the disapproval of the population..."

You want our politicians to be populists? Mob rule?

Going to war against Germany to get rid of Hitler made us more likely to have been bombed - should we not have done that. Stupid apologists.

	22-07-2005 17:22									#72
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd Wait - the police restrained him, and then killed him? Britain is a scary place.

Man with an explosive belt around his chest.

What do you think his first course of action might be if he was a suicide bomber with a bunch of cops piled on top of him?

What do you think the correct course of action would be for those cops to do?

	22-07-2005 17:27									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Man with an explosive belt around his chest. What do you think his first course of action might be if he was a suicide bomber with a bunch of cops piled on top of him? What do you think the correct course of action would be for those cops to do?

There wasn't any mention about the possibility of an explosive belt when I read the article, and I figure that if he could to blow himself up, he would of done so instead of running from the police anyways.

	22-07-2005 17:29									#74
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd There wasn't any mention about the possibility of an explosive belt when I read the article, and I figure that if he could to blow himself up, he would of done so instead of running from the police anyways.

He was trying to run onto the train (which is obviously more densely populated), and was tackled right before he got there.

quote: "He looked like a Pakistani but he had a baseball cap on, and quite a thickish coat. It was a coat like you would wear in winter, a sort of padded jacket. It looked out of place in the weather we've been having."

Police saw a Pakistani man with a very thick coat on in the middle of summer heading on the tube, challenged him to ask him to open the coat, and instead he bolted to try to make it on the train.

What, exactly, do you think was going on there if he wasn't a bomber?

	22-07-2005 17:33									#75
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Actually the explosive belt with wiring is mentioned by eyewitnesses. So yes, it's credible that he had it, especially taken how he got nailed, was chased and the police certainly seemed to have a clue what he was doing to do (read: trying to cause death and mayhem). It's not a situation in which you can start thinking about the deepest aspects of humanity, but you only have seconds to act. If you read the eyewitness counts, you realise he was pretty close to blow himself up. In a situation like that, you of course take out the f*cking bomber.

Edit: My keyboard is abit broken. My primary keyboard broke, so using a crappy spare one. The keypresses aren't recorded well, so some letters drop out.

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	22-07-2005 17:37									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Asher What, exactly, do you think was going on there if he wasn't a bomber?

quote: There wasn't any mention about the possibility of an explosive belt when I read the article

	22-07-2005 17:37									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Datajack Franit if you think they target our actions in Iraq, rather than our lifestyle, I think you will be deeply disappointed.

They target our lifestyle, because that's where we live. We are terrorized when we can't go to work or out for a show or a bite to eat. But our lifestyle is not the reason they attack us, despite what some would have us believe.

It's much easier to simply say, they don't like the way we live. Then we don't have to debate or examine the complex issues involved nor face the reality of our countries' policies in the 3rd world, and specifically the Muslim world.

Keep in mind though, that just because the terrorists have some valid points, it doesn't make their struggle valid. Their methods invalidate their struggle.

	22-07-2005 17:42									#78
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I thought that would be a safe assumption if they had to shoot the guy point-blank in the head 4 or 5 times that he had something explosive on his torso.

But that's just me.

	22-07-2005 17:47									#79
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Yes, everyone who gets shot by the police deserves it. It´s good to hear that you have such confidence in the police force, Asher...

	22-07-2005 17:49									#80
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If there was any mention of a bomb belt in the BBC article I missed it first time around.

	22-07-2005 17:50									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Zoidberg Yes, everyone who gets shot by the police deserves it. It´s good to hear that you have such confidence in the police force, Asher...

I often think they should shoot more people, especially when hippies block the road and such.

Really though, that's a strawman. A man running from police who challenged him in a subway station a day after previous bombing attempts in a subway station ought to know what's coming to him.

There's a terrible precident set there, and police can't afford to f*ck around taking chances when you're dealing with (potential) bombers in a crowded area.

	22-07-2005 17:51									#82
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The Brits very rarely shoot anyone, seeing how their police don't carry guns.

	22-07-2005 17:51									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Zoidberg If there was any mention of a bomb belt in the BBC article I missed it first time around.

Well here's that that very article says as of this post:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm

quote: Another passenger on the train, Anthony Larkin, told BBC News the man had been wearing a "bomb belt with wires coming out". "I've seen these police officers shouting, 'Get down, get down!', and I've seen this guy who appears to have a bomb belt and wires coming out.

	22-07-2005 17:53									#84
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I would be worried if Ludd or Zoid would be the ones doing key decisions like that, because sooner or later they would end up first trying to confiscate the explosives, but then having a bunch of people blown into pieces for making it very easy for a suicide bomber to cross the wires, when he notices he's soon going to be arrested and it will be his last chance, no matter how many victims he gets.

At times you just have to use that firearm you have as a police. If they were not meant for use, then we could just as well remove them as useless.

	22-07-2005 17:57									#85
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara The Brits very rarely shoot anyone, seeing how their police don't carry guns.

That actually applies to regular Bobbies and British Transport Police. There's however other officers with firearms available. Also on short notice you get abit more robust stuff on-site.

They have it, but it's just not too visible.

	22-07-2005 17:58									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin That actually applies to regular Bobbies and British Transport Police. There's however other officers with firearms available.

Correct, but they have to be called to a situation, as opposed to American police who gun people down, then plant guns to make their shootings legit.

	22-07-2005 17:59									#87
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Correct, but they have to be called to a situation, as opposed to American police who gun people down, then plant guns to make their shootings legit.

I forgot that American police are gun-totting maniacs just looking for an excuse to kill people.

All of the crazy posters come out of the woodwork during tragedies, isn't it grand?

	22-07-2005 18:01									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I thought that would be a safe assumption if they had to shoot the guy point-blank in the head 4 or 5 times that he had something explosive on his torso.

quote: and I figure that if he could to blow himself up, he would of done so instead of running from the police anyways.

There was very little information in the article when I read it, all that was mentioned was that police where chasing someone, they tackled him, and then shot him. No specifics.


And frankly, without knowing the details, it's just as safe an assumption that the police where abusing their power.

	22-07-2005 18:01									#89
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Heh, you have to wonder how long before the radical lefties start staging street protests demanding full human rights for bombers.

Maybe they'll even start forming human walls around them

	22-07-2005 18:03									#90
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd There was very little information in the article when I read it, all that was mentioned was that police where chasing someone, they tackled him, and then shot him. No specifics. And frankly, it's just as safe an assumption that the police where abusing their power.

So a natural assumption is the British police just wanted to shoot someone without provocation.

My whole point was it's telling that someone so antisocial will automatically assume that the police randomly shoot people for fun. Like che does.

This is the problem with most lefties -- you guys have some good ideas, but you're just f*cking CRAZY! It discredits what would otherwise be nice, popular ideas; like universal healthcare.