27-07-2005 09:35									#31
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Police should carry auto-shotguns and lazers

	27-07-2005 09:43									#32
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Suicide bombers are typically rigged so they can easily activate their detonation (hand held requiring only a button push). Thus, even if pinned down, they could still squeeze a trigger.

	27-07-2005 09:59									#33
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Some posters claims that this killing is both intended and planned by the police. Following this way of thinking, then a group of policepersons may have decided (or have been ordered) to pick out someone they could be secure would react as they wanted - that is run from the police instead of stand still and get interviewed by the officers involved.

Well, they find such a person (don't ask me how they were able to pinpoint a person that would act as desired - my guess is that certain people will claim that the police has means to manipulate people so they act as they want). Ok, the victim is found and the show starts. Officers yells the usual stuff "police, stop" etc, but the victim acts as programmed - he run, and of course in the direction that will give the right excuse to execute him.

If you wonder who and why police want to make such an incident, then there are several possible reasons. One is plain training of personnel - one thing is to exercise such things on a practice ground, but it is still better to do it with live ammo and a real victim. Another could be that the police officers involved was bored and wanted to have some fun while demonstrating their big guns. A more sinister plan could of course be that Blair wanted to prepare the ground for making this kind of actions whenever police wants to ask people a question. Considering that he is a socialist, it isn't unrealistic.

I guess that any lover of conspiracy theories will accept all this as reasonable and will deny that simpler explanations may be the truth - nothing can be simple.

Simple such as the guy for some reason panics and do the wrong thing - that is run. Such as the police knows that there has been four succesfull bombings an four failured. Such as the only secure way that has ever been known to prevent suicide bombers from detonating their bombs with securtiy is to shoot the person in the head.

Oh, I can already feel that some are writing that the Israelis has managed to do such things without killing - well, I also know this story, and there are some small differences. That guy that the Israelis found and caught was identified at a checkpoint out in the open - he didn't run anywhere - he wasn't in any way near to potential victims - he listened to the orders the Israeli police gave him. Please tell me how this is similiar to a person in an Londonian subway station, one who doesn't respond to police orders but instead runs to a place where a bomb will make more damage.

	27-07-2005 10:01									#34
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quote: Originally posted by pchang Suicide bombers are typically rigged so they can easily activate their detonation (hand held requiring only a button push). Thus, even if pinned down, they could still squeeze a trigger.

	27-07-2005 10:04									#35
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Despite the truth of this, do you really think certain posters will accept it ?

	27-07-2005 10:05									#36
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Nope.

	27-07-2005 10:09									#37
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Good, you seem to have some kind of sanity - I guess that you then also accept that Hans Ø is danish

	27-07-2005 10:10									#38
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You can have Hans Island when you pry it from the cold, dead hands of Bill Graham.

	27-07-2005 10:16									#39
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Ok, we just send some policemens - you know that funny things then may happen.

	27-07-2005 10:17									#40
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quote: You can have Hans Island when you pry it from the cold, dead hands of Bill Graham.

And Billy Graham has God on his side...

	27-07-2005 10:19									#41
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat Ok, we just send some policemens - you know that funny things then may happen.

Just remember, Her Majesty's Cowboys always get their man, or Dane as the case may be.

	27-07-2005 10:21									#42
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Just remember, Her Majesty's Cowboys always get their man, or Dane as the case may be.

Nah, it is only canucks they get, but that isn't a great wonder

	27-07-2005 10:28									#43
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Actually, many of the got have been non Canucks, but I could hardly expect a Dane to know that. You all think you are going to get away with your creeping theft of North America.

Well, I'll tell you what. You are not going to succeed with your Finn inspired, French led attempts to steal North America one rock at a time. No sirree-Bob. We're stopping you right here and now.

We'll fight on the beaches, we'll fight in the bars, we'll fight on the internet forums. We shall defend our island...

	27-07-2005 10:35									#44
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Considering that north america just is an old danish colony we simply reclaims, you don't have much to say.

what has happened to the usual suspects in this thread ? I thought it was their awakening time.

	27-07-2005 11:03									#45
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You are mistaken, sir. I always have a lot to say. Perhaps too much from time to time, but none of us is perfect.

	27-07-2005 11:12									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Police should carry auto-shotguns and lazers

Robocop

	27-07-2005 11:21									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Robocop

Nah, I don't think that you really want robocop - You' ll loose your claim of possible police brutality.

	27-07-2005 11:24									#48
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dead or alive you're coming with me!

	27-07-2005 11:27									#49
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Yup, you get the choice.

	27-07-2005 13:00									#50
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quote: Originally posted by pchang Suicide bombers are typically rigged so they can easily activate their detonation (hand held requiring only a button push). Thus, even if pinned down, they could still squeeze a trigger.

On what basis was Menezes suspected to be a suicide bomber?

	27-07-2005 13:05									#51
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Bulky coat. Although, I presume a bag of some sort would be sufficient as well.

	27-07-2005 13:40									#52
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He had a bulky jacket on, on a hot summer's day. Way to bring attention to yourself.

British police are the best in the world, hence they did the right thing.

	27-07-2005 14:19									#53
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you mean like the SS were the best soldiers in the world so they did the right thing?

	27-07-2005 14:33									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman Bulky coat. Although, I presume a bag of some sort would be sufficient as well.

Didn't the police have surveillance on the house he was living in? If so, why didn't they stop him when he came out?

	27-07-2005 14:34									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse you mean like the SS were the best soldiers in the world so they did the right thing?

Horsie, tune down the polemic just a bit, okay?

	27-07-2005 15:15									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Didn't the police have surveillance on the house he was living in? If so, why didn't they stop him when he came out?

The surveillant police were not armed. They passed the man on to armed police once he entered/left the bus.

	27-07-2005 15:41									#57
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i.e. the dopey trigger happy coppers

(okay UR)

	27-07-2005 16:18									#58
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quote: On what basis was Menezes suspected to be a suicide bomber?

*Bulky coat
*Left block of flats been watched by police (the address of which was found among the documents of suicide bombers)
*Ran when police told him to stop

It's tragic that this guy died. I think that the people here who support the police's actions but also seem intent on blaming the whole sorry episode on Menezes 'stupidity' are displaying a horrible lack of sympathy for the victim. Many of those who agree with the police's policy seem to want to find a scapegoat for the tragedy - Menezes - when one is not called for.

I agree with the police's actions but don't see why anyone needs to be blamed. I can see why he could have run and I can see why the police took the action they did. Nobody is to blame (going on what we currently know).

	27-07-2005 16:28									#59
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Zulu, in times such as these we have to support the police and our security serivces to do all they can to root out extremists in our midst.

It's not as if the Brazilian would not have been able to understand English (or if he didn't, why was he supposedly working over here).

If you're being chased, you run to the nearest police station, not the nearest tube station.

	27-07-2005 16:38									#60
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I don't think many here actually harbor ill will towards the victim, but just because I sympathize with the guy does not mean he is

a.) not a dumbass

or

b.) didn't escalated the situation by his own decision.

And by no means am I going to say the police handled the situation perfectly, but I do think they did so to the best of their ability and through sound reasoning by those on hand, with circumstances taken into account.