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Please explain Canada being high up the list of targets.


I am not aware that Canada was attacked by Islamic terrorists. Please cite.

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Named as a target, not yet attacked. Until recently London enjoyed the same distinction.

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http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2002/11/12/binladen021112
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Al-Jazeera broadcasts tape said to be bin Laden
Last Updated Wed, 13 Nov 2002 9:50:43
WASHINGTON - Al-Jazeera television in the Middle East is broadcasting an audio tape of a man whom the network identifies as Osama bin Laden.

On the tape which was first aired Tuesday afternoon, the speaker praises recent attacks on Westerners in Bali, Kuwait, Yemen and Jordan, as well as the recent hostage taking in Moscow.

"The latest action in Moscow is only a response to what is happening to all Muslim brothers around the world."

The speaker says the attacks are a response to what U.S. President Bush is doing by "killing our sons, our old people and children by American planes in Palestine." The speaker says the attacks in Bali and elsewhere are a response to U.S. actions in the Middle East.

"Our people in Palestine are being killed, are being subjected to the worst kind of suffering for almost a century now," said the speaker. "If we defend our people in Palestine the world is disturbed and allied against Muslims under the banner of combating terrorism."

The speaker also warns the U.S. and its allies they will face more attacks.

"This is in response to what is happening to our brothers in Palestine who are being killed every day. So we are issuing a warning to citizens of countries allied with the United States."

Six countries are singled out as targets of al-Qaeda: Great Britain, France, Italy, Germany, Australia and Canada. Each country is accused of supporting "the White House gang of butchers."

Al-Jazeera has broadcast several audio recordings of bin Laden over the past year. The last video tape of the al-Qaeda leader was believed to have been recorded last November, soon after the U.S. attack on Afghanistan began.

There has been no confirmation of the authenticity of the recording by Western intelligence experts, but if authenticated the audiotape would prove bin Laden is alive, or was until very recently.

U.S. intelligence experts are working to determine whether the tape is authentic, but some officials say it sounds like the voice of bin Laden.

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We remain one of the only targets not hit.

If I'm not mistaken, this had nothing to do with Iraq.

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IIRC the only country on the list that has been hit is the UK.

Foreign policy is much broader than just Iraq. Iraq is just the most recent - and most bloody after Vietnam.

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We are discussing about two issues: islamists in western societies and people of muslim religion supporting terrorism acts. Knowing more about flemish weavers or chinese sailors has hardly any kind or relevance to this topic. Or do you just want someone to tell you how good your history knowledge is?

He lives there! And his opinion isn't less important just because he's not a polish farmer living in the middle-ages



Oh- I had thought we were discussing a Tory m.p.'s comments on multiculturalism, and given that this is the United Kingdom, which has a certain kind of history with regard to immigration and people of different cultures, ethnicities and religions coming to settle here, I did somehow think that the history of immigration into the United Kingdom might somehow be relevant.

Also- I didn't say his comment was less important than anyone else's, did I ?

I questioned his claim to speak for 'the people'- whoever that vague groupuscule are meant to be this day of the week in his mind.


I suggest you read his posts, and mine, more carefully- and take a chill pill while you're at it.

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Oh- I had thought we were discussing a Tory m.p.'s comments on multiculturalism, and given that this is the United Kingdom, which has a certain kind of history with regard to immigration and people of different cultures, ethnicities and religions coming to settle here, I did somehow think that the history of immigration into the United Kingdom might somehow be relevant.


You know molly, for such an incredibly smart guy, your reading comprehension is really poor.

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You know molly, for such an incredibly smart guy, your reading comprehension is really poor.


You're entitled to your opinion, however erroneous it may be in respect of the facts.

You are however mistaken in your assumption, as this post and the thread's title clearly prove.


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Shadow Home Secretary David Davis is calling on the government to scrap its "outdated" policy of multiculturalism.

[...]

Allowing people of different cultures to settle without integrating....

"respect for the British way of life".

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as this post and the thread's title clearly prove


I don't know which is funnier, the fact that you use the Thread title as proof to it's content, or the fact that you might actually believe that argument.

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as this post and the thread's title clearly prove


I don't know which is funnier, the fact that you use the Thread title as proof to it's content, or the fact that you might actually believe that argument.



I know what's funnier- your questioning my reading comprehension.


Cort Haus' post on page 6


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OK, but what the current multicultural strategy gives us is a myriad more 'micronationalisms'


Park Avenue, same page:

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Yes, after all, we only housed them, and kept them on benefit for decades until they decided to attack us for our errors...



'We' housed 'them'. Where did the 'them' come from ? And what is it that distinguishes the 'thems' that come here, from 'us' and each other ?

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Cort Haus' post on page 6

You lose the argument automatically since you use less than 50 posts per page. In anyway, there are a myriad of topics which are interconnected in this area, and they are all fair play, really.

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You lose the argument automatically since you use less than 50 posts per page.



Since you questioned my abilities with regard to English comprehension I feel it is my bounden duty to point out the egregious error in your post:

- it should be 'fewer' posts, of course, not 'less' posts.


Grammar and vocabulary Gauleiter molly.

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And what is it that distinguishes the 'thems' that come here, from 'us' and each other ?



What about this?


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'We' housed 'them'. Where did the 'them' come from ? And what is it that distinguishes the 'thems' that come here, from 'us' and each other ?


Them are the people that bombed us and those who fail to criticise their actions.

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What about this?





What about it ?

Where was the photograph taken ?

In Great Britain ?


Are they any more alien to me than this:

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I have simply made a precis of his excellent work, 'The Papacy is Antichrist,' because its demonstration cannot be surpassed. I have also added some additional material.


http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.a...ntichrist_intro

From a fellow resident of the British Isles. Not someone keen on Catholics (even lapsed Catholics) or homosexuals.

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The jewel in Paisley's paramilitary career has to be the foundation of Ulster Resistance on November 10th 1986.

His fellow founding members are none other than Peter Robinson and Ivan Foster. To make sure this is clear – the current leader and deputy leader of the DUP helped to found Ulster Resistance.

Their aim was to bring down the Anglo-Irish Agreement and throughout the north Ulster Resistance was split into 9 battalions.

Ian Paisley has been photographed in the traditional red beret and he was very proud of himself sitting up in Ulster Hall indeed.

In 1988 a former DUP election candidate was arrested after an arms find in County Armagh which sent the DUP public relations officer into full flow declaring all links with Ulster Resistance ended in 1987.

Two conclusions must be drawn from this, the first being the DUP have acknowledged they were linked to Ulster Resistance and secondly why do people believe the DUP when they say the links were broken in 1987?

The British Government has turned a blind eye to Paisley’s involvement in Ulster Resistance. In April 1987 two members of Ulster Resistance were arrested in France attempting to procure weapons from a South African diplomat, was this before or after links were supposedly broken off?

Paisley's private militia, Ulster Resistance has yet to decommission its arsenal. The DUP and Ian Paisley have run away and hid from this issue for too long and it is time both communities, both Governments and all parties pushed Ian Paisley on it.

Ian Paisley has also threatened violence on several occasions during his career. His speeches have incited sectarian hatred and he has been at the head of mobs to rid Catholics from their homes. In 1981 he appeared on a hillside with over 500 men brandishing firearms licences.

William Beattie, a loyal lieutenant of Rev. Paisley, addressed a DUP Youth Group after the Anglo-Irish Accord was signed by the Dublin and London governments in 1986: "We must hire assassins to kill Catholics and pay them when the job is done."

Paisley in his own words

After a Loyalist rally in 1968 – “I will kill all who get in my way”

After Terence O’Neill held a meeting with Sean Lemass, Paisley shouted “No mass, No Lemass”

After a Loyalist rally in 1968, Ian Paisely justified his violent anti-Catholic pleas by saying,

'Catholic homes caught fire because they were loaded with petrol bombs'; Catholic churches were attacked and burned because they were 'arsenals' and 'priests handed out sub-machine guns to parishioners'; and the massive discrimination in employment and shortage of houses for Catholics were simply because they breed like 'rabbits' and multiply like 'vermin'.

In reference to the Unionist party's Jewish candidate, Harold Smith, he said, "The Unionist party are boasting he [Harold Smith] is a Jew. As a Jew, he rejects our Lord Jesus Christ, the New Testament, Protestant principles, the Glorious Reformation and the sanctity of the Lord's day. The Protestant throne and the Protestant constitution are nothing to him."



http://www.dannymorrison.com/forum/...read.php?t=4826


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just as I thought

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Them are the people that bombed us and those who fail to criticise their actions.


So terrorists and fundamentalists?

Islam |= terrorists and fundamentalists

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IIRC the only country on the list that has been hit is the UK.

Foreign policy is much broader than just Iraq. Iraq is just the most recent - and most bloody after Vietnam.


Ever heard of Bali?

Paris railways have never been bombed?

Oh, and it was you who drew the connection with Iraq.

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But yes, I can well understand Muslims being pissed off with Canadians over foreign policy. After all, we deployed soldiers to keep peace in the Sinai, and then again to protect Muslim (and other) populations in the disintegrating Yugoslavia.

How dare we!

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But yes, I can well understand Muslims being pissed off with Canadians over foreign policy. After all, we deployed soldiers to keep peace in the Sinai, and then again to protect Muslim (and other) populations in the disintegrating Yugoslavia.

How dare we!


The most despicable westerner of all, the apparantly blameless. But OBL has seen through your little charade and moved you to the top of the list where you belong!

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OBL still has a beef with the Spanish over the reconquistodor of Spain back before either Muslims or Xians even new america existed.

Thats a long grudge.

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just as I thought



Wow. That's terribly enlightening. I can insert a rolleyes smiley too, followed by a non sequitur.




So where was the photograph taken?

And explain why it's relevant to the United Kingdom.


I wouldn't mind but you're the one who seemed, somewhat hysterically, to accuse me of 'cultural verbosity' and dragged in a mediaeval Polish farmer for no reason I could fathom.

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Some people can read all the books in the world and still donīt get a damn thing about the world they live in

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Some people can read all the books in the world and still donīt get a damn thing about the world they live in



I don't restrict my knowledge of the world to reading, thanks.

I have Muslim friends, have been to a Muslim country, went to school and university with Muslims, have Muslim neighbours next door, in the basement flat, and an Islamic centre a few doors down from me.

I live in the most ethnically diverse part of the United Kingdom, if not Western Europe, where over 120 different languages are spoken. There are mosques and businesses run by Muslims here- and a Buddhist vihara, Sikh gurdwaras and Hindu temples, as well as a Ukrainian church and even Unitarian and Seventh Day Adventist meeting houses.

On the other hand, you live... where, exactly ?



You're simply avoiding the question I asked you by using ad hominems- an easy but ineffective ploy.

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Originally posted by Datajack Franit We are discussing about two issues: islamists in western societies and people of muslim religion supporting terrorism acts. Knowing more about flemish weavers or chinese sailors has hardly any kind or relevance to this topic. Or do you just want someone to tell you how good your history knowledge is?


i think you've discovered the secret of molly's posting.

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and it isn't all that good either you know most is wikipedia

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I must admit, every day I do wish the fundamentalist muslims to be thrown into the North sea... same logic as the christians but more explosives seem to be involved .

 
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