16-08-2005 23:46									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Proteus_MST And they thank us by trying to trick gullible Europeans and Americans via Spam-Mails

I thought that's how they got the money in the first place

	17-08-2005 00:56									#92
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quote: Indeed, we were pussies. We were content with torturing them ragheads We should have also killed them and their families! Edit: Oh wait we did

I am sure they didn't do the same to you, and were the most honorable of warriors, being the modern fusion between Saladin and Santa Claus.

	17-08-2005 02:25									#93
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quote: Originally posted by rmsharpe You do understand that a corporation is made up of stockholders who are private citizens? Instead of taking a small sum of money from one person, you're taking large sums of money from a lot of people.

serves the stockholders right for buying stock in slave trading companies.

They should research the companies they are buying stock in.

Though I will admit, I doubt their previous status as being involved in the slave trade is listed in the prospectus.

	17-08-2005 02:25									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Japher Oprah Winfery has profitted more from slavery than I ever have or will... how much should she pay?

	17-08-2005 03:33									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Dis serves the stockholders right for buying stock in slave trading companies.

You want to punish people today for something that happened 200 years ago?

As long as we're in the reparations mode here, I am formally demanding compensation from the following:

For the illegal occupation and annexation of Poland: the Federal Republic of Germany, the Republic of Austria, and the Russian Federation for the abuse of my ancestors.

For the illegal occupation and annexation of Scotland: the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, again for the abuse of my ancestors.

For the illegal occupation and annexation of Norway: the Kingdom of Sweden and the Kingdom of Denmark.

Prime Minister Blair, Chancellor Schroder, and President Putin are welcome to contact me at any time to inform me how much in compensation I shall be receiving. Thank you.

	17-08-2005 03:38									#96
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Ignore Dissident.

	17-08-2005 06:27									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Az I am sure they didn't do the same to you, and were the most honorable of warriors, being the modern fusion between Saladin and Santa Claus.

Except for the terror in Algiers, they were mostly "honorable" in that most of the war happened between armed forces.

As to the battle of Algiers, we managed to be even more barbaric than them

	17-08-2005 10:12									#98
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quote: Originally posted by rmsharpe That would be technically impossible. But what Castro says, you do, or else.

Shows what you know.

	17-08-2005 10:15									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie With that logic, USA is also run by decendents of the slaves. Just ask Condie.

The difference being that most of the Cuban government is black, whereas almost none of the American government is Black.

	17-08-2005 10:17									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha we stopped buying in 1808.

The last slave ship to the U.S. entered in the 1850s, despite the fact that it was illegal. When it came to Black slaves, the law wasn't too well enforced.

	17-08-2005 10:20									#101
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quote: Originally posted by rmsharpe By what metric do you use to say that Africa would have been better left untouched?

By the metric that millions of their people wouldn't have been carted off or slaughtered, that their societies wouldn't have been destroyed, that their modern nations wouldn't have been articfically cobbled together across ethnic boundires in the interests of Europe, that the African people wouldn't have been hearded into the disease ridden parts of Africa, etc.

	17-08-2005 10:21									#102
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quote: Originally posted by rmsharpe Mansa Musa, the theocratic tyrant? If you want to read up on benevolent leadership,

What year are we talking about?

	17-08-2005 12:48									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Ignore Dissident.

why?

Just because I support black causes. What have you got against black people to be against reparations? Don't they deserve some compensation?

I just don't want them to take it from me . But I have no problem if they take it from rich people.

	17-08-2005 18:58									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Ignore Dissident.

	17-08-2005 18:59									#105
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara their modern nations wouldn't have been articfically cobbled together across ethnic boundires

What's wrong with that? They should be celebrating ethnic diversity!

	17-08-2005 20:54									#106
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Shows what you know.

Yes, the truth.

	17-08-2005 20:59									#107
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara By the metric that millions of their people wouldn't have been carted off or slaughtered,

Fair enough, but Europeans killed each other just as much. As well, it's not that Africa was a bastion of peace before the arrival of Europeans anyway.

quote: that their societies wouldn't have been destroyed,

What do you call what is happening to Africa now? It's the same as it's always been.

quote: that their modern nations wouldn't have been articfically cobbled together across ethnic boundires in the interests of Europe,

So African leaders are incapable of tolerance of any other tribes. It sounds like they're the ones with the race problem.

quote: that the African people wouldn't have been hearded into the disease ridden parts of Africa, etc.

Africans are in every part of Africa, so unless all of it is diseased, it's ridiculous to suggest such a thing.

	17-08-2005 21:00									#108
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara What year are we talking about?

You don't know what year and you're lecturing us on Africa's history?

	17-08-2005 21:02									#109
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara The difference being that most of the Cuban government is black, whereas almost none of the American government is Black.

You're right, the Cuban government is mostly black.

	17-08-2005 21:12									#110
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quote: Originally posted by rmsharpe What do you call what is happening to Africa now? It's the same as it's always been.

Let me get this straight.

Today's Africa is organized in nation-States. Their economies are heavily reliant on the world market. The main social hierarchies are made along the lines of personal wealth and relationship with the state's bureaucracy.

Let's compare with how it was before:
- Small kingdoms, or empires based on vassalization = a more palpable link between the subjects and the political order.
- economies essentially about self-sustainment (considering that a semi-autarchic rural life was what most African knew)
- social hierarchies along the lines of nobility or social function.

Yes. Africa is the same as it has always been. The Europeans didn't bring their social model at all in Africa

	17-08-2005 21:23									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Today's Africa is organized in nation-States. Their economies are heavily reliant on the world market.

Without that world market, there would be no visible economy for those countries. Nothing is stopping them from rejecting individual success and living in a commune or out in the bush.

quote: The main social hierarchies are made along the lines of personal wealth and relationship with the state's bureaucracy. Let's compare with how it was before: - Small kingdoms, or empires based on vassalization = a more palpable link between the subjects and the political order.

Those two above items sound almost identical. Instead of being King or Chief, you're General or President (and sometimes both.)

quote: - economies essentially about self-sustainment (considering that a semi-autarchic rural life was what most African knew)

So there was no famine or suffering before the arrival of Europeans? Besides, what is preventing them from returning to that lifestyle?

quote: - social hierarchies along the lines of nobility or social function.

It sounds like we did them a favor by getting rid of that.

quote: Yes. Africa is the same as it has always been. The Europeans didn't bring their social model at all in Africa

The social model changes, but people stay the same. Personal achievement in Africa today is just now more easily attainable than it was in the past.

	17-08-2005 23:09									#112
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quote: Originally posted by rmsharpe You don't know what year and you're lecturing us on Africa's history?

Wow, you are really ****ing obtuse, aren't you? Why don't you go away and come back when you figure out the use of smilies to indicate sarcasism.

	18-08-2005 01:15									#113
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I guess I'm not that great at detecting sarcasm. Maybe Mansa Musa should've gave me a scholarship to Sankore University, I'd be a lot smarter.

	18-08-2005 01:17									#114
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quote: originally posted by Dis quote: originally posted by kuciwalker Ignore Dissident. why?

No one should ever ignore Dissident. He is top drawer material!

	18-08-2005 02:29									#116
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quote: Originally posted by rmsharpe The social model changes

And that's exactly my point. I'm not arguing whether the model we forced on them is better or worse. I'm arguing that the western social systems took centuries to become mature in Europe, and they were forced at gunpoint on the Africans within one or two generations.

I'm arguing that the social fabric of Africa has been completely destroyed to be "replaced" by a model Africa wasn't ready for. As a result, the stability of the continent has been wiped out.

This is why I called you on tthat statement:

quote: It's the same as it's always been

Things have changed. Radically.

	18-08-2005 04:09									#117
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I'm looking at politically and intertribally. Have you ever heard the expression "the more things change, the more they stay the same?" That's mostly what I'm getting at.

I don't think anyone should get the impression that Africa was a bastion of peace and prosperity.

	18-08-2005 04:25									#118
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quote: Originally posted by rmsharpe I don't think anyone should get the impression that Africa was a bastion of peace and prosperity.

I don't get that impression, and neither does Chegitz. However, the situation in most of Africa is far worse now that the West has committed its economic, cultural and political rape on the continent.

Most of today's African woes (except disease) find some responsibility in the inadequacy between the western and the traditional social model.

	18-08-2005 13:05									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin quote: originally posted by Dis quote: originally posted by kuciwalker Ignore Dissident. why? No one should ever ignore Dissident. He is top drawer material!

Just like socks and condoms.