17-08-2005 06:17									#1
	Apolyton Fantasy Football - League One - Discussion Thread Got spare money?

Right, now that the draft is over, we can take some time laugh at each other's rosters, propose trades, talk news et cetera.


Good luck to everyone!

	17-08-2005 06:17									#2
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To recapitulate, these were the main settings of the league and the draft results:

Roster Requirements
These are the roster requirements for this league:

1 QB
2 RB
2 WR
1 RB/WR
1 TE
1 K
1 DEF
7 BENCH



League Settings
These are the scoring settings for this league:

Completions (1)
Incomplete Passes (-0.5)
Passing Yards (35 yards per point)
Passing Touchdowns (6)
Interceptions (-3)
Rushing Yards (10 yards per point)
Rushing Touchdowns (6)
Receptions (1)
Reception Yards (20 yards per point)
Reception Touchdowns (6)
Return Yards (20 yards per point)
Return Touchdowns (6)
2-Point Conversions (2)
Fumbles Lost (-3)
Offensive Fumble Return TD (6)
Field Goals 0-19 Yards (3)
Field Goals 20-29 Yards (3)
Field Goals 30-39 Yards (3)
Field Goals 40-49 Yards (4)
Field Goals 50+ Yards (5)
Point After Attempt Made (1)
Sack (1.5)
Interception (3)
Fumble Recovery (3)
Touchdown (6)
Safety (2)
Block Kick (3)
Points Allowed 0 points (10)
Points Allowed 1-6 points (7)
Points Allowed 7-13 points (4)
Points Allowed 14-20 points (1)
Points Allowed 21-27 points (0)
Points Allowed 28-34 points (-1)
Points Allowed 35+ points (-4)



Draft Results
1.01) GJRamsey - Peyton Manning - IND - QB
1.02) Jonny - Daunte Culpepper - MIN - QB
1.03) Kidicious - LaDainian Tomlinson - SD - RB
1.04) Duke O'York - Randy Moss - OAK - WR
1.05) Zopperoni - Willis McGahee - BUF - RB
1.06) SuperSneak - Shaun Alexander - SEA - RB
1.07) Jaguar - Donovan McNabb - PHI - QB
1.08) Imran - Priest Holmes - KC - RB
1.09) Reismark - Edgerrin James - IND - RB
1.10) Spaced Cowboy - Jamal Lewis - BAL - RB
1.11) Donegeal - Domanick Davis - Hou - RB
1.12) The Emperor Fabulous - Tom Brady - NE - QB


2.01) The Emperor Fabulous - Corey Dillon - NE - RB
2.02) Donegeal - Trent Green - KC - QB
2.03) Spaced Cowboy - Julius Jones - DAL - RB
2.04) Reismark - Clinton Portis - WAS - RB
2.05) Imran - Deuce McAllister - NO - RB
2.06) Jaguar - Curtis Martin - NYJ - RB
2.07) SuperSneak - Tiki Barber - NYG - RB
2.08) Zopperoni - Rudi Johnson - CIN - RB
2.09) Duke O'York - Ahman Green - GB - RB
2.10) Kidicious - Steven Jackson - StL - RB
2.11) Jonny - Kevin Jones - DET - RB
2.12) GJRamsey - Brian Westbrook - PHI - RB


3.01) GJRamsey - Marvin Harrison - IND - WR
3.02) Jonny - Torry Holt - StL - WR
3.03) Kidicious - Marc Bulger - StL - QB
3.04) Duke O'York - Brett Favre - GB - QB
3.05) Zopperoni - LaMont Jordan - OAK - RB
3.06) SuperSneak - Tatum Bell - DEN - RB
3.07) Jaguar - Terrell Owens - PHI - WR
3.08) Imran - Chad Johnson - CIN - WR
3.09) Reismark - Javon Walker - GB - WR
3.10) Spaced Cowboy - Jake Plummer - DEN - QB
3.11) Donegeal - Warrick Dunn - ATL - RB
3.12) The Emperor Fabulous - Joe Horn - NO - WR


4.01) The Emperor Fabulous - DeShaun Foster - CAR - RB
4.02) Donegeal - Reggie Wayne - IND - WR
4.03) Spaced Cowboy - Fred Taylor - JAX - RB
4.04) Reismark - Andre Johnson - HOU - WR
4.05) Imran - Tony Gonzalez - KC - TE
4.06) Jaguar - Antonio Gates - SD - TE
4.07) SuperSneak - Kerry Collins - OAK - QB
4.08) Zopperoni - Hines Ward - PIT - WR
4.09) Duke O'York - Minnesota Vikings - MIN - DEF
4.10) Kidicious - Michael Bennett - MIN - RB
4.11) Jonny - Carnell Williams - TB - RB
4.12) GJRamsey - Duce Staley - PIT - RB


5.01) GJRamsey - Jason Witten - DAL - TE
5.02) Jonny - Darrell Jackson - SEA - WR
5.03) Kidicious - Anquan Boldin - ARI - WR
5.04) Duke O'York - Alge Crumpler - ATL - TE
5.05) Zopperoni - Michael Clayton - TB - WR
5.06) SuperSneak - Jerry Porter - OAK - WR
5.07) Jaguar - Nate Burleson - MIN - WR
5.08) Imran - Drew Bennett - TEN - WR
5.09) Reismark - J.J. Arrington - ARI - RB
5.10) Spaced Cowboy - Jimmy Smith - JAX - WR
5.11) Donegeal - Jeremy Shockey - NYG - TE
5.12) The Emperor Fabulous - Daniel Graham - NE - TE


6.01) The Emperor Fabulous - Muhsin Muhammad - CHI - WR
6.02) Donegeal - Travis Henry - TEN - RB
6.03) Spaced Cowboy - Steve Smith - CAR - WR
6.04) Reismark - Todd Heap - BAL - TE
6.05) Imran - Roy Williams - DET - WR
6.06) Jaguar - Baltimore Ravens - BAL - DEF
6.07) SuperSneak - Isaac Bruce- StL - WR
6.08) Zopperoni - Laveranues Coles - NYJ - WR
6.09) Duke O'York - Chris Chambers - MIA - WR
6.10) Kidicious - Ronnie Brown - MIA - RB
6.11) Jonny - Derrick Mason - BAL - WR
6.12) GJRamsey -Cedric Benson - CHI - RB


7.01) GJRamsey - Ashley Lelie - DEN - WR
7.02) Jonny - Randy McMichael - MIA - TE
7.03) Kidicious - Plaxico Burress - NYG - WR
7.04) Duke O'York - T.J. Duckett - ATL - RB
7.05) Zopperoni - Matt Hasselbeck - SEA - QB
7.06) SuperSneak - Donald Driver - GB - WR
7.07) Jaguar - Eric Moulds - BUF - WR
7.08) Imran - Brian Griese - TB - QB
7.09) Reismark - Drew Brees - SD - QB
7.10) Spaced Cowboy - Jermaine Wiggins - MIN - TE
7.11) Donegeal - Adam Vinatieri - NE - K
7.12) The Emperor Fabulous - Atlanta Falcons - ATL - DEF


8.01) The Emperor Fabulous - Jason Elam - DEN - K
8.02) Donegeal - Chicago Bears - CHI - DEF
8.03) Spaced Cowboy - Mike Vanderjagt - IND - K
8.04) Reismark - Pittsburgh Steelers - PIT - DEF
8.05) Imran - Brandon Stokley - IND - WR
8.06) Jaguar - Kevan Barlow - SF - RB
8.07) SuperSneak - Lee Evans - BUF - WR
8.08) Zopperoni - Dallas Clark - IND - TE
8.09) Duke O'York - Reuben Droughns - CLE - RB
8.10) Kidicious - Michael Vick - ATL - QB
8.11) Jonny - Jerome Bettis - PIT - RB
8.12) GJRamsey - Eddie Kennison - KC - WR


9.01) GJRamsey - David Akers - PHI - K
9.02) Jonny - New England Patriots - NE - DEF
9.03) Kidicious - Larry Fitzgerald - ARI - WR
9.04) Duke O'York - Chris Brown - TEN - RB
9.05) Zopperoni - Larry Johnson - KC - RB
9.06) SuperSneak - Eric Johnson - SF - TE
9.07) Jaguar - T.J. Houshmandzadeh - CIN - WR
9.08) Imran - Lee Suggs - CLE - RB
9.09) Reismark - Deion Branch - NE - WR
9.10) Spaced Cowboy - Terry Glenn - DAL - WR
9.11) Donegeal - Marcus Robinson - MIN - WR
9.12) The Emperor Fabulous - Santana Moss - WAS - WR


10.01) The Emperor Fabulous - Ricky Williams - MIA - RB
10.02) Donegeal - Thomas Jones - CHI - RB
10.03) Spaced Cowboy - Ben Roethlisberger - PIT - QB
10.04) Reismark - Rod Smith - DEN - WR
10.05) Imran - Buffalo Bills - BUF - DEF
10.06) Jaguar - Marshall Faulk - StL - RB
10.07) SuperSneak - Byron Leftwich - JAX - QB
10.08) Zopperoni - Donte Stallworth - NO - WR
10.09) Duke O'York - Shayne Graham - CIN - K
10.10) Kidicious - Charles Rogers - DET - WR
10.11) Jonny - Sebastian Janikowski - OAK - K
10.12) GJRamsey - Frank Gore - SF - RB


11.01) GJRamsey - Carson Palmer - CIN - QB
11.02) Jonny - Tyrone Calico - TEN - WR
11.03) Kidicious - Philadelphia Eagles - PHI - DEF
11.04) Duke O'York - Aaron Brooks - NO - QB
11.05) Zopperoni - Jake Delhomme - CAR - QB
11.06) SuperSneak - Carolina Panthers - CAR - DEF
11.07) Jaguar - Chad Pennington - NYJ - QB
11.08) Imran - David Carr - HOU - QB
11.09) Reismark - Michael Pittman - TB - RB
11.10) Spaced Cowboy - Dallas Cowboys - Dal - DEF
11.11) Donegeal - Dante Hall - KCC - WR
11.12) The Emperor Fabulous - Drew Bledsoe - DAL - QB


12.01) The Emperor Fabulous - Jeb Putzier - DEN - TE
12.02) Donegeal - LaBrandon Toefield - JAX - RB
12.03) Spaced Cowboy - Mark Clayton - BAL - WR
12.04) Reismark - Eli Manning - NYG - QB
12.05) Imran - Mike Anderson - DEN - RB
12.06) Jaguar - Derrick Blaylock - NYJ - RB
12.07) SuperSneak - Joey Harrington - DET - QB
12.08) Zopperoni - New York Jets - NYJ - DEF
12.09) Duke O'York - Detroit Lions - DET - DEF

12.10) Kidicious - Keary Colbert - CAR - WR
12.11) Jonny - Kyle Boller - BAL - QB
12.12) GJRamsey - Mewelde Moore - MIN - RB


13.01) GJRamsey - Braylon Edwards - CLE - WR
13.02) Jonny - Washington Redskins - WAS - DEF
13.03) Kidicious - L.J. Smith - PHI - TE
13.04) Duke O'York - David Givens - NE - WR
13.05) Zopperoni - Amani Toomer - NYG - WR
13.06) SuperSneak - Heath Miller - PIT - TE
13.07) Jaguar - Matt Stover - BAL - K
13.08) Imran - Keyshawn Johnson - DAL - WR
13.09) Reismark - Ben Troupe - TEN - TE
13.10) Spaced Cowboy - Tampa Bay - TB- DEF
13.11) Donegeal - Bubba Franks - GB - TE
13.12) The Emperor Fabulous - Keenan McCardell - SD - WR


14.01) The Emperor Fabulous - Chris Cooley - WAS - RB
14.02) Donegeal - Arizona Cardinals - ARI - DEF
14.03) Spaced Cowboy - Ryan Longwell - GB - K
14.04) Reismark - Steve McNair - TEN - QB
14.05) Imran - Cincinnati Bengals - CIN - DEF
14.06) Jaguar - Indianapolis Colts - IND - DEF
14.07) SuperSneak - Eric Shelton - CAR - RB
14.08) Zopperoni - Jeff Wilkins - StL - K
14.09) Duke O'York - David Boston - MIA - WR
14.10) Kidicious - Kurt Warner - ARI - QB
14.11) Jonny - Marcus Pollard - DET - TE
14.12) GJRamsey - Ryan Moats - PHI - RB


15.01) GJRamsey - Matt Jones - JAX - WR
15.02) Jonny - Brad Hoover - CAR - RB
15.03) Kidicious - St. Louis Rams - StL - DEF
15.04) Duke O'York – Mark Campbell – BUF - TE
15.05) Zopperoni - Greg Lewis - PHI - WR
15.06) SuperSneak - Maurice Morris - SEA - RB
15.07) Jaguar - Dominic Rhodes - IND - RB
15.08) Imran - Billy Volek - TEN - QB
15.09) Reismark - Denver Broncos - DEN - DEF
15.10) Spaced Cowboy - Troy Williamson - MIN - WR
15.11) Donegeal - Jason Hanson - DET - K
15.12) The Emperor Fabulous - Seattle - SEA - DEF


16.01) The Emperor Fabulous - Jeff Reed - PIT - K
16.02) Donegeal - Chad Hutchinson - CHI - QB
16.03) Spaced Cowboy - Joey Galloway - TB - WR
16.04) Reismark - Lawrence Tynes - KC - K
16.05) Imran - Mike Nugent - NYJ - K
16.06) Jaguar - Jim Kleinsasser - MIN - TE
16.07) SuperSneak - John Hall - WAS - K
16.08) Zopperoni - Brandon Jacobs - NYG - RB
16.09) Duke O'York - Onterrio Smith - MIN - RB
16.10) Kidicious - Josh Brown - SEA - K
16.11) Jonny - Phil Dawson - CLE - K
16.12) GJRamsey - Jacksonville Jaguars - JAX - DEF


Again, please visit our league page at Yahoo! and check whether I've processed your picks correctly.

I will hit the "Start Season"-button on Monday morning.

	17-08-2005 06:20									#3
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Talk news, eh?

T.O. is a complete moron!!!!

	17-08-2005 06:36									#4
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My picks are good!

	17-08-2005 06:43									#5
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My picks are correct on Yahoo, but good may be a different story

	17-08-2005 09:15									#6
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Now bring on the season!!

Interesting thing I heard just now is that Drew Rosenhaus is trying to get Volek (his client) traded, but Tennessee isn't hearing it. They were talking Chicago. Frankly, I think my pick may have a higher value as McNair's backup .

And for Zop and me, two of our drafts ended today!

	17-08-2005 16:18									#7
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This is my roster:

Amsterdam Afros
Matt Hasselbeck
Jake Delhomme

Willis McGahee
Rudi Johnson
LaMont Jordan
Larry Johnson
Brandon Jacobs

Hines Ward
Michael Clayton
Laveranues Coles
Donte Stallworth
Amani Toomer
Greg Lewis

Dallas Clark

Jeff Wilkins

New York Jets


It's pretty steady, apart from the absence of a super-duper TE.

	17-08-2005 16:25									#8
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Many thanks to Zopp for organising the draft.

	17-08-2005 17:30									#9
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My Roster:

Brian Griese
David Carr
Billy Volek

Priest Holmes
Deuce McAllister
Lee Suggs
Mike Anderson

Chad Johnson
Drew Bennett
Roy Williams
Brandon Stokley
Keyshawn Johnson

Tony Gonzales

Mike Nugent

Buffalo Bills
Cincinnati Bengals

	17-08-2005 17:33									#10
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How good is this Mike Nugent kid? I've been reading good things about him, but he's still a rookie...

	17-08-2005 17:34									#11
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He was the Ohio State kicker for the last 4 years... ie, many pressure kicks. People are saying he'll be the next big time 'clutch' kicker in the league (the next Vinateri, if you will).

	17-08-2005 17:36									#12
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We'll see, but the last wave of young kickers has been promising either way. Josh Brown, Jeff Reed, Nate Kaeding, Shayne Graham, and Josh Scobee have all posted very respectable numbers.

	17-08-2005 17:48									#13
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Well if you've followed college football recently, Nugent has been college football's Vinateri making last minute kick after last minute kick.

	17-08-2005 17:51									#14
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Presenting the Razor's Edge

Peyton Manning
Carson Palmer

Brian Westbrook
Duce Staley
Cedric Benson
Frank Gore
Mewelde Moore
Ryan Moats

Marvin Harrison
Ashley Lelie
Eddie Kennison
Braylon Edwards
Matt Jones

Jason Witten

David Akers

Jacksonville

Not too happy with my RBs, but that is life when you take a Qb #1.

	17-08-2005 18:02									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Well if you've followed college football recently, Nugent has been college football's Vinateri making last minute kick after last minute kick.

I don't watch football and I find college football somewhat confusing. I'm happy enough as it is that one channel can be arsed to broadcast the Super Bowl.

	18-08-2005 00:38									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Zopperoni I don't watch football

	18-08-2005 00:41									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Brian Griese David Carr Billy Volek

You better hope one of these guys does something this year.

	18-08-2005 00:43									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Zopperoni It's pretty steady, apart from the absence of a super-duper TE.

Looks like a good team to me

	18-08-2005 01:13									#19
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I'm happy with my team. Ron Brown was a little risky for a 6th round pick, but who knows what will happen. I was hoping he would have signed and stuff by now though.

	18-08-2005 01:14									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious You better hope one of these guys does something this year.

I bet that Griese has a better year than Bulger. IIRC, his passer rating last year was higher than Bulger's.

	18-08-2005 01:16									#21
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4 posts.

I don't watch football either, but then my team's a joke, and now I work it means I can't stay up and listen to US forces radio like I did when I was a kid.
You can only get football on cable/satellite here, yet they used to have late-night games (for us ) on terrestrial telly not that long ago.

	18-08-2005 01:25									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious

It's true. I follow all the games on NFL.com's GameCenter

	18-08-2005 01:26									#23
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I just read the net reports the next day. All right, week, when it's the Bears.

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Last year Griese had a rating of 97.5 while Bulger had a rating of 93.7. Griese also had a 69.3 completion % compared to Bulger's 66.2%:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/stati...son=2&year=2004

He had 336 attempts leading to 2,632 yards passing with 20 TDs and 12 INTs. Bulger had 485 attempts for 3,964 yards and 21 TDs and 14 INTs.

So Griese had 7.83 yards per attempt, while Bulger had 8.17 ypa. Griese had 16.8 att/TD, while Bulger had 23.1. Of course Griese had a higher att/INT as well, 28.00 compared to 34.64.

So if Griese had the same attempts that Bulger did (plausible considering that he's the starter since the beginning of the year), he'd have 3,797.55 yards, 29 TDs, and 17 INTs. That's quite a good QB.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I bet that Griese has a better year than Bulger. IIRC, his passer rating last year was higher than Bulger's.

Well, let's not forget that he replaced Chris Simms who replaced Brad Johnson. If Griese fails to deliver, he will get yanked quite quickly although Simms isn't very good... he's pretty awful actually.

	18-08-2005 01:34									#26
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But with a 97 passer rating, I don't think ole Chucky will yank him anytime soon. And because Simms is such crap, I don't think Griese has to worry if he has a bad 1st game.

	18-08-2005 01:39									#27
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To start:

Brett Favre - GB - QB
Ahman Green - GB - RB
T.J. Duckett - ATL - RB
Randy Moss - OAK - WR
Chris Chambers - MIA - WR
Reuben Droughns - CLE - RB/WR
Alge Crumpler - ATL - TE
Shayne Graham - CIN - K
Minnesota Vikings - MIN - DEF

Bench
Chris Brown - TEN - RB
Aaron Brooks - NO - QB
Detroit Lions - DET - DEF
David Givens - NE - WR
David Boston - MIA - WR
Mark Campbell – BUF - TE
Onterrio Smith - MIN - RB

That'll have to do to start with.

	18-08-2005 01:43									#28
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Droughns may not get the starting job and, as reisie pointed out in the draft thread, Onterrio Smith is suspended for the season.

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I think all the Cleveland RBs are risks. Suggs (my pick), Droughns, Green. Basically its gambling that your pick wins the battle .

Smith, OTOH...

	18-08-2005 01:46									#30
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Well, it's good to have Vikings in the team, as I'm sure Child of Thor would agree. Even useless Vikings.

Besides, I'm gambling that his legal team will come through in the end!