18-08-2005 01:53									#31
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york Besides, I'm gambling that his legal team will come through in the end!

It's already a done deal, my friend. Something involving a Whizzinator(tm) back in May, IIRC.

	18-08-2005 01:54									#32
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He clearly hasn't got expensive enough lawyers. I'm sure that they can appeal for the rest of the season, and still make it that he plays.

	18-08-2005 02:53									#33
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Johnny Cochran's dead, he has no more hope.

	18-08-2005 04:01									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I bet that Griese has a better year than Bulger. IIRC, his passer rating last year was higher than Bulger's.

You have to be smoking crack!

quote: So if Griese had the same attempts that Bulger did (plausible considering that he's the starter since the beginning of the year), he'd have 3,797.55 yards, 29 TDs, and 17 INTs. That's quite a good QB.

The thing is he didn't have the same # of attempts. Griese has not proven that he can do what Bulger has done. Remember Bulger had a passer rating of over 100 the year that he took over for Warner. You don't know what Griese is going to do this year. We'll just have to see. We do however know with a good deal of certaintly that Bulger is going to do at least as well as last year and probably better because the rest of the Rams offense is better. Kurtis and McDonald are in their third year and should improve a great deal over last year, and the Rams offensive line will definitely be good and get better during the year. Last year Bulger could only take three steps back during a good part of the season. That, and, Bulger has built up toughness and experience. If he can just get it in the red zone better he's going to be great this year, and so will the Rams.

	18-08-2005 04:07									#35
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I showed you the stats. Bulger has about 150 more yards if both have the same attempts and 3 less INTs. But Griese has EIGHT more TDs.

How am I on crack now?

	18-08-2005 04:12									#36
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Read my addition to my last post. You are way too high on Griese. I'm going to remember what you said.

	18-08-2005 04:20									#37
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STARTERS
QB - Drew Brees, SD
RB - Edgerrin James, IND
RB - Clinton Portis, WAS
WR - Javon Walker - GB
WR - Andre Johnson - HOU
RB/WR - J.J. Arrington - ARI / Deion Branch - NE
TE - Todd Heap, BAL
K - Lawrence Tynes, KC (though maybe not for long...)
DEF - Pittsburgh

BENCH
QB - Eli Manning, NYG
QB - Steve McNair, TEN
RB - Michael Pittman, TB
WR - Rod Smith, DEN
TE - Ben Troupe, TEN
DEF - Denver

	18-08-2005 04:22									#38
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Bulger played a full 13 games last season and Griese played a full 12, yet Bulger's fantasy points were 120 more than Griese's.

Last edited by Kidicious on 18-08-2005 at 04:29

	18-08-2005 04:41									#39
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Griese actually started 10 games last year and played in 11. Bulger played in 14 games last year (and started all of them.. but left one after 4 attempts). The year before, Bulger had an 81.4 passer rating with less yards than last year and a lower completion percentage. His season last year was better than the year before.

Griese took over mid year, with a team with far less talent, and was a better QB than Bulger, as his passer rating and completion percentage show.

You are seriously underestimating Griese. I'll note this at the end of the season when Griese is a top 5 fantasy QB.

	18-08-2005 10:27									#40
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Top five? Imran, you've got to be kidding me. Manning, McNabb, Culpepper, and Green have him beat without any fraction of a doubt. I'm tired, so I can't think of a fifth now, but there will be one, I assure you.

Reismark's team scares me.


Here's mine:

Donovan McNabb
Chad Pennington

Curtis Martin
Kevan Barlow
Derrick Blaylock
Dominic Rhodes

Terrell Owens
Nate Burleson
Eric Moulds
TJ Houshmanzadeh

Antonio Gates
Jim Kleinsasser

Matt Stover

Baltimore Ravens
Indianapolis Colts

	18-08-2005 16:21									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Griese actually started 10 games last year and played in 11. Bulger played in 14 games last year (and started all of them.. but left one after 4 attempts).

You have some bad information.

quote: You are seriously underestimating Griese. I'll note this at the end of the season when Griese is a top 5 fantasy QB.

He could maybe #5. I give it about a 25% chance, but I give it about a 50% chance that he barely cracks the top 10. Bulger on the other hand will probably be #4 and there's a good chance that he'll be number 3.

	18-08-2005 17:18									#42
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Here's the projected starters for the Fresno Freakers for week one

Marc Bulger QB
Ladainian Tomlinson RB
Steven Jackson RB
Michael Bennet RB
Charles Rogers WR
Keary Colbert WR
St Louis DEF
L.J. Smith TE
Josh Brown K

Bench

Kurt Warner QB
Michael Vick QB
Ronnie Brown RB
Blaxico Burress WR
Anquan Boldin WR
Larry Fitzgerald WR
Philadelphia DEF

	18-08-2005 17:55									#43
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Colbert might not see much action with the return of Smith and the signing of Gardner.

	18-08-2005 18:03									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious You have some bad information. He could maybe #5. I give it about a 25% chance, but I give it about a 50% chance that he barely cracks the top 10. Bulger on the other hand will probably be #4 and there's a good chance that he'll be number 3.

You're right, Bulger will beat out Donovan McNabb and Trent Green to become the number three QB in the league.

	18-08-2005 18:16									#45
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quote: You have some bad information.

Yeah, I'll call NFL.com and let them know .

quote: He could maybe #5. I give it about a 25% chance, but I give it about a 50% chance that he barely cracks the top 10. Bulger on the other hand will probably be #4 and there's a good chance that he'll be number 3.

D-E-L-U-S-I-O-N-A-L! What does that spell? Delusional!

There is no doubt Griese makes the top 10, and not barely. He was 6th in the league in passer rating last year and now he's got a full year under center, with Clayton having a year under his belt and Cadillac Williams ready to step in sometime this season.

I give him a 50% chance of cracking the Top 5 and only a 5% chance of NOT being in the top 10.

quote: You're right, Bulger will beat out Donovan McNabb and Trent Green to become the number three QB in the league.

Yep, like I said, he's smoking something. Bulger is too inconsistent and throws too many INT/TD (like two years ago) to be in the Top 3. Manning and Culpepper are 1 and 2. McNabb and Green will probably go 3 and 4 (in whatever order), and I think Griese will be 5. Bulger may be 7 or 8 behind Favre and perhaps Plummer.

	18-08-2005 18:29									#46
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I think that Manning and Culpepper are in a class of their own, and although Manning got most of the credit last year, they're pretty much even.

They're followed by McNabb and Green.

Of the remaining ones, I think Bulger looks best. But putting him any higher than fifth is just delusional.

	18-08-2005 18:30									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui There is no doubt Griese makes the top 10, and not barely. He was 6th in the league in passer rating last year and now he's got a full year under center, with Clayton having a year under his belt and Cadillac Williams ready to step in sometime this season.

Seeing is believing. Griese was never the star QB, not even in his days with the Broncos, and that team was by no means inferior.

If Griese wants to perform, he needs Joey Galloway and Anthony Becht to stay healthy, step up, and make plays. Alex Smith might do well in double TE situations, he's a good pick for the future.

Bulger isn't superb though. He'll get massive yards, but he needs an underneath cushion, because Faulk isn't there anymore to serve as a quick-dump target. Getting Manumaleuma more involved or re-routing Curtis/McDonald will help him very much.

	18-08-2005 18:37									#48
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Yet, Griese thrived under Gruden's offense... just like another QB who was never a star before Gruden got to town. I'm speaking of Rich Gannon, of course, who was a bona fide fantasy star during the Gruden era and then the first year sans Gruden.

His 10 game streach last year shows what happens when you put Griese in such an offense... and that was with basically no running game!

	18-08-2005 19:03									#49
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Ah, but will the addition of a running game help Griese's stats or not?

The plays will be more balanced now, leaving Griese with fewer passing attempts. The Bucs defense is still good, so instances where he's called upon to rally the team back will not be there often. I don't think he'll do badly though, I'm putting him down for 3,600 yards, 24 TD, and 16 INTs.

	18-08-2005 19:07									#50
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Well, a more balanced attack will prevent defenses from cheating on the pass (which even though they did so, Griese still had a 97 passer rating). I think the Bucs ran a decent amount last season, they just didn't get a good YPA.

	18-08-2005 19:16									#51
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Pittman did have a career year, but yea, the Bucs ranked fourth from the bottom in rushing attack.

	19-08-2005 10:20									#52
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I don't see Culpepper at #2 this year.

Here's the way I see it.

1) Manning
2) McNabb
3) Bulger
4) Culpepper
5) Green

	19-08-2005 10:24									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Zopperoni Bulger isn't superb though. He'll get massive yards, but he needs an underneath cushion, because Faulk isn't there anymore to serve as a quick-dump target. Getting Manumaleuma more involved or re-routing Curtis/McDonald will help him very much.

Manumaleuna won't start probably although they might go with 2 TEs this year. Roland Williams was brought back. Curtis and McDonald will be much better this year. Jackson will make the whole system much better, and the line should get better as the season goes so they shouldn't need the quick-dump target, although Faulk will play on passing downs.

	21-08-2005 15:48									#54
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Just a reminder to all of you. The league will be fully activated tomorrow morning. If you haven't checked if your team is correctly submitted into the system, please do so. Otherwise, it's tough turnips.

	22-08-2005 03:13									#55
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How do we know if it's correctly submitted?

	22-08-2005 04:02									#56
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You can review your team under Draft Results on the Yahoo league page.

	22-08-2005 06:07									#57
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L.T. had 55 yards and a TD on 1 carry today. That's a good thing. Bulger and the rest of my team is also looking good in preseason, well most of them. It's starting to look like my #3 back (Bennet) will share carries.

	22-08-2005 08:50									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious I don't see Culpepper at #2 this year. Here's the way I see it. 1) Manning 2) McNabb 3) Bulger 4) Culpepper 5) Green

You are on drugs... you did realize that Moss was out a good portion of last year... the year that Culpepper had a historic year passing the ball, right? There is no way outside of injury that Culpepper doesn't finish at least 2. Hell, he may even finish 1st, he's that talented.

	22-08-2005 08:58									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui You are on drugs... you did realize that Moss was out a good portion of last year... the year that Culpepper had a historic year passing the ball, right? There is no way outside of injury that Culpepper doesn't finish at least 2. Hell, he may even finish 1st, he's that talented.

Truth.

He won't have Moss this year, but I still think he's good for top 3 or top 2.

	22-08-2005 09:24									#60
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Well, I would have said Culpepper could finish 3rd (even though HIGHLY unlikely) before T.O. decided to **** with McNabb's ability to finish in the Top 2. Even if T.O. plays in the first game of the year, McNabb's relationship with his best WR will be shaken.