17-08-2005 09:23									#31
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quote: As long as you have stupid people and a large target you'll have viruses and spyware, etc.

So what you're saying is, only smart people use Macs?

	17-08-2005 09:25									#32
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The irony of ^ post is the failure to notice the conjunction in the quoted post .

	17-08-2005 09:28									#33
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If I get a Mac it will be because all the cool people in the movies always use mac laptops.......

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	17-08-2005 09:34									#34
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell quote: As long as you have stupid people and a large target you'll have viruses and spyware, etc So what you're saying is, only smart people use Macs?

note the AND operand in the previous statement.

	17-08-2005 10:01									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Verto, seems like you're trying to go for the 'look at this.. looks kind of cool, levels, not trash, clean, wood, almost modern like, woot the toot center of computers and entertainment'-desk. This is very common these days. But tell you teh truth, it looks like if you farted while playing CivII, the whole system will come down and prolly land on your head. Just saying bro.. hate the game.

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	17-08-2005 10:05									#36
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Verto, I'll battle any color or any race,
you beating me is like Billy Crystal playing Scarface,
I don't see it, blind to the eye,
I came up in ya face, po pow suprise..
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	17-08-2005 10:08									#37
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo I know a long time Mac user, and he doesn't like OS X (don't know which version), he prefers OS 9.

There are a lot of people like that. The Classic OS gave you a bit more freedom and was less computer-like. One other reason I don't use windows is that the support for multiple languages is pathetic.

I still haven't seen anything from Asher that isn't a blatant appeal to authority.

Ming's ibook must have been broken or had something done to it. My wife can't screw up an ibook, which is the hardest test for a computer imaginable.

	17-08-2005 10:13									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Ming For starters... it can't run 90% of the software I need to do my job. Second, it can't run many of the games I want to play... Besides the internet and word processing, those are the two major reasons why I use computers

Pray tell me what this has to do with the UI?

	17-08-2005 10:28									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui The irony of ^ post is the failure to notice the conjunction in the quoted post .

The irony's on you. I use Windows.

	17-08-2005 10:39									#40
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quote: quote: quote: So what you're saying is, only smart people use Macs? The irony of ^ post is the failure to notice the conjunction in the quoted post The irony's on you. I use Windows.

own goal

	17-08-2005 10:54									#41
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Because it's free.

	17-08-2005 10:58									#42
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	17-08-2005 11:48									#43
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Windows is better because more people use it than OSX.

I'm not talking about popularity.

The reason this is so important, is because the 100s of thousands of programmers/artists who use Windows are constantly complaining/suggesting how to make Windows better.

Microsoft does listen. It takes a long time to release a new OS. Microsoft will make the best OS with each release (I'm talking about major releases, 95, 98, XP) simply because it recieves the most constructive critism.

OSX interface has a nice look, it fails me to understand why Microsoft can't employ artists to beef up Window's interface appearence. Windows Vista is an improvement, but its still a bit clumsy looking, and I don't like the black Start Menu. Black is not a good colour.

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	17-08-2005 11:52									#44
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I can't join the discussion... I've only used a Mac for a few hours... many years ago... the only thing I remember was I was happy getting back to Windows
And I don't know anyone who has a Mac

	17-08-2005 11:53									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Far and away the #1 problem is the novice users themselves, not Windows.

Bollocks. Just the regular "blame the victim" excuse.

MS advertises Windows as something you don't need experience and skill to use - not "use at your own risk because we don't give a rat's arse about viruses and spyware."

	17-08-2005 11:58									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Ninot Asher is right on the UI argument. I learnt so in school. I remember a classic exchange between student and professor. Student: "How come we never learn how to program anything for Macs or whatever?" Prof: "Because Macs are just prissy little toys that cant really do anything but draw. We're trying to teach you how to actually get something accomplished"

Your argument doesn't support your premise.

UI design has nothing to do with the ability to program under a particular OS.

	17-08-2005 12:55									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Because it's: 1) Cheaper 2) Permits more freedom 3) Cheaper 4) More functional (more software) 5) Cheaper 6) Runs games (DirectX) 7) Is not tied to underpowered, overpriced hardware 8) The Finder is the worst program, ever 9) Single menu bar: Not only does it not make logical sense (disconnecting it from the widget it controls), it's a usability nightmare

	17-08-2005 13:02									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I don't know what your problem is then -- my family's computer, and my BF's computer, never has that **** on it. And my BF and family aren't technical geeky computer people. If you're a retard and click the stupid popups/lottery-winning links you see, you'll get **** on your computer you don't want. The only reason that doesn't affect you on a Mac is because the Mac marketshare is so pathetic there are no programs offered in popups for you to install. If everyone used a Mac it'd be bloated down similarly by stupid users.

That's called circular logic . . . . . . . .

And considering that it is UNIX/Linux servers that are used in a large number of mission-critical services , why doesn't anybody target them ? Taking down a large number of services critical to the internet is going to get you many more "leet points" that if you target individual windows users - yet there are practically no viruses for Linux/UNIX . Why is that ?

	17-08-2005 13:07									#49
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Just a question - why is it that I can have a put a linux box on the internet and wait for it to patch itself ( using one little command ) , without worrying about whether or not it will get infected in about 12.5 minutes ( after a fresh install ) ( 12.5 minutes is the mean time to infection of an unpatched Windows box . As downloading the updates takes more time than that , Windows boxes usually get infected just by trying to update a fresh install . ) ?

	17-08-2005 13:11									#50
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I really don't want to get in this argument. Because Mac people always say they can use a console for games (which I find to be an invalid arguement since civ3 isn't on consoles).

but out of curiousity, what is the cheapest mac you can get?

	17-08-2005 13:26									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Dis but out of curiousity, what is the cheapest mac you can get?

A Mac Mini

	17-08-2005 13:37									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger A Mac Mini

and what is the price in U.S. dollars?

	17-08-2005 13:38									#53
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Use XP because it goes with everything. Its easier and by far more mainstream.

	17-08-2005 13:42									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Dis and what is the price in U.S. dollars?

Use the Google, Dis!

Here's one link

	17-08-2005 13:43									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon People still use Windows because they love spyware, viruses, poorly designed UIs and shitty graphics. Now do I have to post Asher's "I love OS X" thread again?

Or maybe because Apple Hardware is too much buck for the bang and Linux isn't as comfortable as Windows is out of the box.

Spyware and viruses are no problem for me and Windows is anything but a poorly designed UI. Take a look at Gnome to see a poorly designed UI and the graphics are okay in windows. In fact I find Mac OS X's "Design everywhere" much uglier and especially the brushed metal look which is absolutely disgusting. I am using the classic windows theme and I am fine with it. An OS doesn't need to look beautiful, it needs to look consistent and make you want to work with it. By that Mac OS 9 had the best graphics: simple, effective and nothing that distracts.

	17-08-2005 13:49									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa Spyware and viruses are no problem for me and Windows is anything but a poorly designed UI.

A new worm is on the loose over the Net as I write...

quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa An OS doesn't need to look beautiful, it needs to look consistent and make you want to work with it.

It is true that a GUI makes working with simple tasks simpler, and hard tasks more difficult.

For example, how do you make a listing of all the files and directories on your computer under Windows? How many clicks will that take?

	17-08-2005 14:12									#57
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I don't fear any worms or viruses, they'll simply not catch me.

quote: originally posted by Urban Range It is true that a GUI makes working with simple tasks simpler, and hard tasks more difficult. For example, how do you make a listing of all the files and directories on your computer under Windows? How many clicks will that take?

The question is not how to make that, the question is why would I want to do that?

But okay, I know what you mean and ofc you are right. Though you have to admit, you need the simple tasks 99% of the time and the hard tasks 1%.
There are even people (a majority I suppose) who never need to do hard tasks and for them failing to make simple tasks simpler is failing to provide them a better environment.

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	17-08-2005 15:07									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa I don't fear any worms or viruses, they'll simply not catch me.

Then you are one of the few. Constantly on guard can wear your nerves thin

quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa But okay, I know what you mean and ofc you are right. Though you have to admit, you need the simple tasks 99% of the time and the hard tasks 1%.

Not me. I do network administration among other things

quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa There are even people (a majority I suppose) who never need to do hard tasks and for them failing to make simple tasks simpler is failing to provide them a better environment.

There are also window managers available for Linux. Whether they are up to the task is a matter of personal preferences.

	17-08-2005 16:32									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Ming's ibook must have been broken or had something done to it. My wife can't screw up an ibook, which is the hardest test for a computer imaginable.

Most of the people in the office had similar problems, so it wasn't just my computer