18-08-2005 06:42									#31
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People don't work 7 days a week. Some people work on weekends and get other days off.

	18-08-2005 06:44									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Do they do it on their own accord because they're Christian?

Yup. There are some companies out there run by good Christians who don't open on Sundays. There might be another national chain or two, but I can't think of any.

	18-08-2005 06:48									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker What's the point of a weekend if you can't go out?

Restaurants, bars and the like are open. Just don't expect to go shopping for clothes or go to the supermarket or something on Sunday.

	18-08-2005 06:49									#34
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Still weekends are supposed to be for shopping and stuff, because that's when you aren't working.

	18-08-2005 06:50									#35
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So why is someone annoyed that someone's chosing sunday? Go to another restaurant. Sunday is a way God telling You: fast food is bad for your health!
I was only once annoyed at sunday. It was very hot summer, and I was a kid. It was in Rzeszow, in the most religious corner of Poland. And my father insisted on going to the church somewhere in the centre (while we stayed in the suburbs), and to sight-see the city. Several hours in the great heat without ANYTHING opened. It's not like in my city or Warsaw, that some shops are closed. I've found 1-2 shops open in entire city. I've almost died of thirst (there are places where You theorethicaly can get water for free from a well but they're always broken). But God gave me sth in return: I've found 5 zl (the biggest ammount of money You can find as a one coin, that's the only time I've found it) on my way back home.

	18-08-2005 06:51									#36
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quote: So why is someone annoyed that someone's chosing sunday?

Why should they choose any day? Just stay open all week.

	18-08-2005 06:52									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Still weekends are supposed to be for shopping and stuff, because that's when you aren't working.

You can go shopping Saturday.

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There is a bible belt in Europe - conservative rural areas for the most part, places like rural Bavaria in Germany (where the Pope comes from), Asturias in Spain, Northern Scotland and Wales in the UK.

We have one in Australia - the US has the deep South, We have the Deep North i.e. Queensland.

It makes you wonder if climate and geography has something to do with it.

	18-08-2005 06:52									#39
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Or I could go out with friends Saturday and go shopping Sunday. Or the other way around.

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker quote: So why is someone annoyed that someone's chosing sunday? Why should they choose any day? Just stay open all week.

Shop owners want their rest too.

	18-08-2005 06:53									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker quote: So why is someone annoyed that someone's chosing sunday? Why should they choose any day? Just stay open all week.

Because God Wills It

	18-08-2005 06:53									#42
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Then they can have someone else be manager on the weekend. That's how it works in the US.

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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Because God Wills It

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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse There is a bible belt in Europe - conservative rural areas for the most part, places like rural Bavaria in Germany (where the Pope comes from), Asturias in Spain. We have one in Australia - the US has the deep South, We have the Deep North i.e. Queensland. It makes you wonder if climate and geography has something to do with it.

They do. Climate and geography determine whether land is suitable for agriculture. Agricultural areas tend ot be more conservative and religious.

	18-08-2005 06:58									#45
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depends on land ownership too - the parts of Europe with landless farmers working on large estates or renting land was more left wing than religious. The parts with lots of small holders was conservative and more religious.

	18-08-2005 07:07									#46
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I'd bet that there are strong ties between those conditions and geography as well. It could be that some crops are more prone to one model than the other, for instance.

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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Do You (want to) work 7 days a week?

What a dumb argument. People who work on the weekends don't work 7 days a week. When I worked on Sundays and Saturdays I didn't. I got some other days off during the week.

Can you actually try and make a decent argument?

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui What a dumb argument. People who work on the weekends don't work 7 days a week. When I worked on Sundays and Saturdays I didn't. I got some other days off during the week. Can you actually try and make a decent argument?

If there's no rule You have to work 7 days a week, and You can chose a day or two during which You don't have to work, why should someone break his religious tradition?

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I've made a map of Poland. Religiousness and political sympathies are connected at least here, and there are some long- lasting trends in political sympathies of the regions.
Last time, however, a strange situation took place: as left wing won elections everywhere, and later there was great disappointment with its rules, provincional elections were won by it only in Krakow and Rzeszow of provincional capitals, and these are the bastions of the right wing.

	18-08-2005 18:59									#49
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quote: If there's no rule You have to work 7 days a week, and You can chose a day or two during which You don't have to work, why should someone break his religious tradition?

Um... he doesn't have to. That's why you pick Sunday or Saturday as a day you can't work. I don't think any business in Europe, except Church related, has an entire workforce of strong religious believers (and Hell, the Church works on Sundays! ).

Besides Protestants believe that when you perform work, God is working through you, and therefore you are performing God's work. Working on Sundays, therefore, means you are doing God's work on God's day.

Lastly, basing business decisions on religion is silly because not everyone shares your faith and you'd lose business, such as mine. I prefer not to eat at those establishments that close at such inconvenient times .

	18-08-2005 19:01									#50
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I generally don't eat at those establishments because they're closed. Not out of dislike for them.

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I know Kuci, but they do lose a chunk of change. I'm just different and my subtle protest is refusing to eat at those restaurants at all .

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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP Another good question is whether there is a non-bible belt area in the mideast.

certain neighborhoods in North Tel Aviv, IIUC. Used to be able to point to certain ultra lefty kibbutzim, but theyre not doing so well.

	18-08-2005 19:16									#53
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quote: Restaurants, bars and the like are open. Just don't expect to go shopping for clothes or go to the supermarket or something on Sunday.

In the States, Sunday evening is one of the busiest times at the supermarket, especially in the suburbs, where everybody lives. Liquor stores seem to close early on Sunday evening in DC, however.

	18-08-2005 19:18									#54
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i think you guys are forgetting the huge muslim population these days in europe.. esp UK.
are you just including christianity in your map?

	18-08-2005 19:20									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I know Kuci, but they do lose a chunk of change. I'm just different and my subtle protest is refusing to eat at those restaurants at all .

I have tremendous respect for businesses that choose to close on Sundays (or Saturdays, or whatever) out of religious conviction despite the fact that they loose lots of money on that day. I didn't know that Chic-Fil-A did that. I've never been to one, but there are a few in my area, I think I'll have to finally stop in sometime.

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quote: Originally posted by boann i think you guys are forgetting the huge muslim population these days in europe.. esp UK. are you just including christianity in your map?

Is it really huge, in absolute numbers, or is it just rapidly growing? That is my impression. Its small, but growing quickly, and because of obvious terrorist fears, and because the immigrant population is in some cases quite vocal, it is getting a big amount of play in the media and such.

Is the percentage really that big overall?

	18-08-2005 19:28									#57
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Estonia in the bible belt

	18-08-2005 19:28									#58
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What is Finland doing in that map at all?

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Then they can have someone else be manager on the weekend. That's how it works in the US. xpost

Ah there lies the big difference I guess.

If my understandings of how commerce is organized in North America is correct, you guys buy about all your stuff in large shops, malls, supermarkets etc. Large enterprises. Eg when my parents went to Canada, they apparently encountered only a single small-scale baker. Here in Europe retail is much more small-scaled businesses. Every village their own baker and butcher etc. Those are family businesses, with perhaps one or two assistants. They can't afford to hire someone else to keep the shop open while they rest. So those labour laws are a form of protection for the small-scale enterprises against the large-scale enterprises, who could pay people to work in the weekends and thus would outcompete the small ones.

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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP Is it really huge, in absolute numbers, or is it just rapidly growing? That is my impression. Its small, but growing quickly, and because of obvious terrorist fears, and because the immigrant population is in some cases quite vocal, it is getting a big amount of play in the media and such. Is the percentage really that big overall?

Figures compiled from government and academic sources show that 930,000 Muslims attend a place of worship at least once a week, compared with 916,000 Anglicans.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...-976226,00.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1064634/posts