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I couldn't figure out are there any seriously religion affected areas in Germany?
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nice map vetty!!!!
But i dont think it is like this. i can talk for hours (but then you'd have to shoot me) but i think you'll only have to paint one country. Poland. Heresson might disagree he's welcome and I'll hear his opinion with interest.
Why I said this? Because there's a difference between countries whose churches want to have a political say but can't and those who do.
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We're becoming more like Americans (the EU) and Greece is leading the waaaaaay... you can deny it paiktis, but it's a fact of life.
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Edan
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I assume Vatican city is in the red zone? (I can't quite tell).
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ok vetty sorry. well it isn't a leader of secularism, no. but it isn't of the same fiber as Poland either. anyway the church under its current leadership wants but cant. but ok i stop. i dont want to threadjack.
moving to other countries germany is half half. catholics are the bavarians they are south and the most conservative.
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of frogs
Jun 2000
time: 06:37
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Czech Republic definitely should not be in the belt. It's the most atheistic country in Europe, perhaps in the world.
Ukraine, perhaps it should be in the belt. There was not much mentioning about it, but reading an article about it I was shocked by the scale of use of religion in the elections of the orange revolution
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BUCKLE! COOL! That's the coolest part of any belt!
But it's not like this, like your map portaits vetty. There is oly one dangible subject the state and the churche came blows to blowes with it. and the church lost. however poland was the only country of ALL the EU (the one you'll someday maybe join ) that supported mentioning christianity in the constitution.
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Poland was not the only one. Actually France with its Belgian vassal were the only ones to fully object.
The lack of mention of Christianity in the constitution is a discrimination of it, and of religion as a whole. It is OK to mention Ancient influence, it is OK to mention Englightement... But to mention what gave Europe it's identity, it is a political sin it seems.
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But i dont think it is like this. i can talk for hours (but then you'd have to shoot me) but i think you'll only have to paint one country. Poland. Heresson might disagree he's welcome and I'll hear his opinion with interest.
Why I said this? Because there's a difference between countries whose churches want to have a political say but can't and those who do.
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Church has influence on politics in Poland, and rightly so.
Not all of what church wants is done, of course, but in last years even left wing practically abandoned the most controversial issues, and only before the elections they're coming back. I think Greece has more official ties of the state with the church, though. Don't bishop get pensions? Btw, it seems there've been many scandals among Greek clergy last years.
On the other hand Sweden, practically atheistic country has officially Christian state religion... British monarchs can't marry catholics...
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Another good question is whether there is a non-bible belt area in the mideast.
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definitely Turkey, perhaps Iraq before the invasion, perhaps Jordan, Egypt. But all of that but Turkey only in comparison to Europe.
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