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Anchor's Aweigh, *****es

Man, how sad is it when the US has Double the carriers as the rest of the world combined?

USA! USA! USA!

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Congratulations on your recent accendancy to number one. You really snuck up on the rest of the world over the last few years, haven't you?

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I just think it's a cool chart.

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twice as many targets as the rest of the world

yeah I say that even though I served on an aircraft carrier. . But it's true. We were a target. The thing is, not too many nations have a submarine force good enough to sink one.

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and that list is including amphibs Those aren't real carriers

Yes I served on an amphib too. And I knew we weren't a real carrier. I was perfectly okay with that. I hated carriers. I served on an LPH class (that class no longer exists)- which was a helicopter carrier. We had limited harrier capability and did not have any harriers permanently stationed onboard.

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this was my baby.

actually I hated it it, but I still have a little bit of loyalty to it I suppose.

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I'm shocked by the fact that China is supposedly building a carrier ... why the f* would they want to do that? Japan and Taiwan/ROC are well within land attack range ... and we're the only nation they'd ever realistically want to fight that a carrier would help them against- and at the moment the concept of that happening is just too funny. They'd be better off with SSMs given our naval abilities ... and India would probably be too hard to get to and too dangerous of waters to risk, given they can use Tibet (unless India gets frisky and takes it away first) ...

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Man, how sad is it when the US has Double the carriers as the rest of the world combined?


Britian had a shitload of dreadnoughts in 1920 - how useful where they over the next 30 years?

The aircraft carrier is as useful today as Battleships where in the 1920's (i.e. obsolete, but almost no-one has really realized this yet)

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Britian had a shitload of dreadnoughts in 1920 - how useful where they over the next 30 years?

The aircraft carrier is as useful today as Battleships where in the 1920's (i.e. obsolete, but almost no-one has really realized this yet)


Well sort of--- The power of the carrier is its ability to kill planes and ships BEFORE said planes and ships get in range to kill it. In a non-nuclear exchange, I believe they still have reasonable survivability if they don't get overconfident close to land and are in a diplomatic position to kill everything that appears threatening.

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The power of the carrier is its ability to kill planes and ships BEFORE said planes and ships get in range to kill it.


Planes? How does the carrier have the power to kill planes?

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Well, being an aircraft carrier...

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Well, being an aircraft carrier...


Kuci,

he was just being deliberately obtuse. next thing he will question a tank's ability to kill another tank since after all it is the armor piercing shell that actually kills said other tank

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and that list is including amphibs Those aren't real carriers



Except they can carry more aircraft than many of the so-called "aircraft carriers" such winners as Spain, Italy, Thailand, and the UK operate.

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he was just being deliberately obtuse. next thing he will question a tank's ability to kill another tank since after all it is the armor piercing shell that actually kills said other tank


Yeah, well, that would work, but not for a country with any meaningful airforce. It would be a really really bad idea to get in the range of land based airpower, and that range has a funny tendency to grow with tankers, etc.

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That's why there is a multistep invasion policy.

1. lob missiles at air defenses
2. send planes to take out the other guys planes
3. drop bombs on tanks
4. send in tanks to roll over enemy troops
5. get involved in endless urban warfare against irregulars

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Yeah, well, that would work, but not for a country with any meaningful airforce. It would be a really really bad idea to get in the range of land based airpower, and that range has a funny tendency to grow with tankers, etc.


It's easier to shoot down a slow-ass tanker than it is to sink a Carrier.

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Kuci,

he was just being deliberately obtuse. next thing he will question a tank's ability to kill another tank since after all it is the armor piercing shell that actually kills said other tank


Yeah, well, that would work, but not for a country with any meaningful airforce. It would be a really really bad idea to get in the range of land based airpower, and that range has a funny tendency to grow with tankers, etc.


Hmm -- are you seriously suggesting there is an "unfriendly" airforce out there with a reasonable chance of going at it with the US navy carrier group at a distance where they need to get a tanker assist? My bet would be on the Yanks.

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I'm sure that statistic is nothing a good bunch of cruise missiles couldn't take care of

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It's easier to shoot down a slow-ass tanker than it is to sink a Carrier.



I was thinking the same thing-- PLUS it would be over the open ocean where US advantages should be at a premium. Those tankers would be a prime target.

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I'm shocked by the fact that China is supposedly building a carrier ... why the f* would they want to do that? Japan and Taiwan/ROC are well within land attack range ... and we're the only nation they'd ever realistically want to fight that a carrier would help them against- and at the moment the concept of that happening is just too funny. They'd be better off with SSMs given our naval abilities ... and India would probably be too hard to get to and too dangerous of waters to risk, given they can use Tibet (unless India gets frisky and takes it away first) ...


Just out of curiosity - why do US keep their carriers ? My guess is that they could easilier and cheaper protect themselves without.

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Just out of curiosity - why do US keep their carriers ? My guess is that they could easilier and cheaper protect themselves without.


Because, in the unlikely event nations won't allow us to base planes out of their country, we can still throw a few hundred planes into the theater without any crazy things like "International law" stopping us.

American carriers are 4 acres of soveriegn American territory.

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Just out of curiosity - why do US keep their carriers ? My guess is that they could easilier and cheaper protect themselves without.


Projecting power.
They're a lot more impressive and visual then a missille hidden away in some silo.

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Power projection.

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Woot!!! alva's number #1!

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This surprises me. I a) didn't know the SK had one, and b) thought that Japan had one.

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Don't know wich of you to qoute, so ...

Why should the Chinese doesn't want do to do the same ?

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and people say liberal social programs are a waste of money

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They are.

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of course, why spend money educating our youth, giving health care to our people, or god forbid helping the poor when we can build tons of floating useless rust buckets manned by rednecks

 
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