23-08-2005 17:39									#1
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According to L'Equipe, a test done on frozen urine samples given by Armstrong during his 1999 win in the Tour de France have shown that he was using EPO (érythropoïétine), which increases oxygenation in the muscles and can boost overall performance by up to 30%.
Overall, 12 samples returned positive for EPO, six of them belonging to Armstrong (the six other runners have not been identified in the article).

	23-08-2005 17:46									#2
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	23-08-2005 17:51									#3
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Haven't the French been trying to prove Armstrong had been doping since the beginning? I think I'll wait for verification .

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You're Jan Ulrich aren't you?

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Haven't the French been trying to prove Armstrong had been doping since the beginning? I think I'll wait for verification .

There's a number of articles outhere but they all refer to the one from L'Equipe. I'm still reading but there are a few "questionables". One of them is that - from what i understand - the paper running the story was actually responsible for linking the samples to the runner.

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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu - the paper running the story was actually responsible for linking the samples to the runner.

He RAN the Tour de France and still won?

	23-08-2005 18:09									#7
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They just don't like an evil anglo saxon winning theri event

	23-08-2005 18:11									#8
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A little common sense would make it dawn on anybody what's been going on.

Obvious, massive cheating by every single top rider made me lose all interest in the sport of cycling 7-8 years ago. I can be a bit slow...

	23-08-2005 18:44									#9
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I'm with Winston except for one thing. Even though they're all doped up, they're still good athletes. And Armstrong, no matter how dopped he could be, has done an extraordinary performance.

	23-08-2005 18:52									#10
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I agree with Imran.

	23-08-2005 18:54									#11
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger They just don't like an evil anglo saxon winning theri event

Not just an Anglo-Saxon, but an American!!!!

	23-08-2005 18:57									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Even though they're all doped up, they're still good athletes.

Ah, yes. I didn't say they weren't good athletes, they are. But they're cheats. And so, by the way, are the teams and the sponsors they represent. The cycling associations and the race organizers. Everybody involved with cycling know what is going on.

	23-08-2005 18:58									#13
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How many times do we have to win it before we can just claim ownership of it?

	23-08-2005 19:02									#14
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Usually a guy wins and owns the title -- until another guy wins. Not sure what the "we" means here.

	23-08-2005 19:36									#15
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I'm not surprised... Lance Armstrong is an *******... he's a cheating doper...

he's not an athlete

riding a bike is not a sport

it should be legal to run over people who ride bikes on streets

he's a bigger cheater than the east-german women olympic team

and he left his wife (who stood by him during cancer) for rock and roll hosebag sheryl crow

i'm not surprised morons like him

	23-08-2005 19:49									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Sava and he left his wife (who stood by him during cancer) for rock and roll hosebag sheryl crow

No, yout twit, his former wife left him. She married him while he was on his deathbed not thinking it would really be a longterm deal, ya know. Then he survived. Oops. So she's outta there.

Also, there was some religious friction, as his wife was becoming an ever-more devout Catholic, while Armstrong is a non-believer who is quite suspicious of organized religion.

	23-08-2005 19:50									#17
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wrong

	23-08-2005 19:51									#18
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Ok, Fez.

	23-08-2005 19:56									#19
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oh i'm sorry, the proof that you included to support your argument was just so overwhelming (including calling me a twit) that not only did I change my mind (a 180), but I kept going right back around again (a 360)...

so really, your uber-argument was TOO effective!

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Wow, you really are Fezzing. What proof did you offer for your original assertions?

Changing a mind like yours is an exercise in futility, so why you'd think I'd be trying to do so, I don't know.

	23-08-2005 20:09									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Wow, you really are Fezzing. What proof did you offer for your original assertions?

no specific source

stuff I read in papers

stuff I hear on radio (from sources that are generally reliable)

sorry I can't join in the lancearmstrong asslicking fest

quote: Changing a mind like yours is an exercise in futility, so why you'd think I'd be trying to do so, I don't know.

not true at all

post a source

I'll read and weigh accordingly

but I understand this little charade of yours... you have no source to back up your claims...

	23-08-2005 20:12									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov No, yout twit, his former wife left him. She married him while he was on his deathbed not thinking it would really be a longterm deal, ya know. Then he survived. Oops. So she's outta there.

hahahahah your claims are major BS

if that's true why did they have three kids?

oh yeah, she was not thinking of a longterm deal



pwned by me, how pathetic

	23-08-2005 20:13									#23
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I love it! Sava is asking Boris to disprove a bald assertion that Sava made! Priceless!

	23-08-2005 20:15									#24
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Lance Armstrong is an American? On the TV and radio I always hear him refered to as a Texan.

	23-08-2005 20:17									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I love it! Sava is asking Boris to disprove COMMON KNOWLEDGE that Sava made! Priceless!

fixed

	23-08-2005 20:18									#26
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btw, if I made just a "bald assertion" it shouldn't be too hard to post a source to PWN me right?

I won't hold my breath waiting for anyone to do so.

	23-08-2005 20:20									#27
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Ah jeez... I can never leave you kids alone in a thread.

	23-08-2005 20:22									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu Ah jeez... I can never leave you kids alone in a thread.

sorry, morons flock to me like moths to a light

	23-08-2005 20:34									#29
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The laboratory which did the testing did not link the samples to Armstrong. The samples were provided to them without any identification. L'Equipe - the newspaper with the story - says that they did a 4 month inquiry and were able to link the samples to the runner.

quote: L'Equipe explique cependant avoir mené quatre mois d'enquête sur les 12 échantillons révélés positifs à l'EPO par ces analyses, et avoir pu déterminer ainsi que six d'entre eux appartenaient au coureur américain. Détaillant sa méthode, le journal dit avoir comparé les numéros des échantillons urinaires prélevés sur l'Américain, consignés sur les procès-verbaux nominatifs des contrôles antidopage remplis par le médecin ayant effectué les prélèvements lors du Tour 1999, et les numéros des échantillons qualifiés de positifs à l'EPO par le laboratoire de Châtenay-Malabry. D'après le journal, six correspondent.

L”Equipe explains that after a 4 month inquiry on the 12 samples that did test positive for EPO, they were able to determine that 6 of them belonged to the American.

Detailing its method, the newspaper said that they compared the numbers of the urine samples taken from the American, from the anti-doping control documents filled by the doctors responsible for sampling during the 1999 Tour, and the numbers of the samples that tested positive for EPO according to the Châtenay-Malabry laboratory. According to L’Equipe, six of these numbers are a match.

(translation is mine)

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Ack, surely that's overstreching the term "light".