24-08-2005 16:33									#91
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quote: Robertson believes that Chavez is a "terrific danger" to America, according to the AP. If that is reality, then I personally thank Robertson for warning the nation. I grant Robertson then the motive of wanting to put on guard a free country. That surely is a sterling motive from which to make a remark. The same cannot be granted Kennedy, Pelosi, McCain, Clinton and company. "Robertson, founder of the Christian Coalition of America and a former presidential candidate, said on 'The 700 Club' it was the United States' duty to stop Chavez from making Venezuela a 'launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism.'" So what's wrong or incorrect about that appraisal. Robertson just may be right on. Could very well be.

http://www.theconservativevoice.com...le.html?id=7721


what's more pathetic that Robertson publicly asking for assasinations is a conservative who doesnt have the guts to come out and agree with him but rather does a whole article about his freedom of speech....

	24-08-2005 16:36									#92
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more Robertson quotes

quote: We at the Christian Coalition are raising an army who cares. We are training people to be effective -- to be elected to school boards, to city councils, to state legislatures, and to key positions in political parties.... By the end of this decade, if we work and give and organize and train, THE CHRISTIAN COALITION WILL BE THE MOST POWERFUL POLITICAL ORGANIZATION IN AMERICA. Fundraising letter, April 1991

quote: The Constitution of the United States, for instance, is a marvelous document for self-government by the Christian people. But the minute you turn the document into the hands of non-Christian people and atheistic people they can use it to destroy the very foundation of our society. And that's what's been happening. 700 Club, Dec. 30 1981

quote: I know it sounds somewhat Machiavellian and evil, to think that you could send a squad in to take out somebody like Osama bin Laden, or to take out the head of North Korea, but isn't it better to do something like that, to take out Milosevic, to take out Saddam Hussein, rather than to spend billions of dollars on a war that harms innocent civilians and destroys the infrastructure of a country? 700 Club, August 9, 1999

http://watchingthewatchers.org/stor...8/24/2418/41121

Pat "Take Out" Robertson

	24-08-2005 16:44									#93
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quote: "I don't even know who that person is," said Chavez

Venezuelan Vice-President accuses US of religious fundamentalism

quote: Rangel called Robertson "a man who seems to have quite a bit of influence in that country," adding that the comments "reveal that religious fundamentalism is one of the great problems facing humanity in these times."

hold on, is there such a thing a "non-religious fundamentalism"??

	24-08-2005 16:50									#94
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quote: Mr. Rumsfeld dismissed Mr. Robertson's remark on assassination, saying: "Certainly it's against the law. Our department doesn't do that type of thing." He added, "Private citizens say all kinds of things all the time."

Our department? That means he cant vouch for the other departments??

quote: The Rev. Jesse Jackson called for the Federal Communications Commission to investigate, just as it did when Janet Jackson's breast was exposed in the Super Bowl broadcast in 2004. "This is even more threatening to hemispheric stability than the flash of a breast on television during a ballgame," Mr. Jackson said.

	24-08-2005 16:59									#95
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I wish Jesse Jackson would just shut up and concentrate his efforts on cheating on his wife.

	24-08-2005 17:09									#96
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Was Mr Rumsfield talking to his lamp when he said that?

	24-08-2005 18:09									#97
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no, to journalists. more or less the same then

	24-08-2005 18:28									#98
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quote: hold on, is there such a thing a "non-religious fundamentalism"??

Communist fundamentalism... oh wait, you asked for non-religious!

	24-08-2005 20:52									#99
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didnt Robertson say 9/11 was Gods way of punishing America for decadence, or whatever? Has anyone in politics taken him seriously since then?

	24-08-2005 20:57									#100
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark didnt Robertson say 9/11 was Gods way of punishing America for decadence, or whatever? Has anyone in politics taken him seriously since then?

Well, the fact he was able to say that and not gotten his media empire utterly dismantled, nor ever haven gotten castigated by the right-wing spin machine shows that obviously he does have osme power.

I mean, he was basically saying America got what it deserved, and not ONCE did I hear Rush, or Hannity, or O'Reilly go after him, not once. You have to wonder why.

	24-08-2005 20:58									#101
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pwnage!

	24-08-2005 22:13									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Sava yes and no... in terms of value of life? IMO, if you are born (or in the case of fetus, if the mother intends to give birth) then it is what I consider to be a human life... obviously, I don't think the value of an adult's life is more than a child's... but in terms of how I would quantify someone's level of consciousness... certainly adults are more developed, and they are able to achieve a higher level of consciousness than a child. In simpler terms... children are stupid.

Ben obviously needs a crash course on Utilitarianism...

	24-08-2005 22:22									#103
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Jesse Jackson is right when he says the FCC should look into Pat Robertson's statements. Calling for a (democratically-elected, by the way) foreign leader's assassination is far worse than a freakin' boob shown for a split second on the TV.

And then you hear these right-winged evangelicals actually defending him! It makes me sick.

	24-08-2005 22:25									#104
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Robertson said he was misinterpreted...

quote: "I didn't say 'assassination.' I said our special forces should 'take him out.' And 'take him out' can be a number of things, including kidnapping; there are a number of ways to take out a dictator from power besides killing him. I was misinterpreted by the AP [Associated Press], but that happens all the time," Robertson said on "The 700 Club" program.

	24-08-2005 22:36									#105
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quote: Originally posted by GePap I mean, he was basically saying America got what it deserved, and not ONCE did I hear Rush, or Hannity, or O'Reilly go after him, not once. You have to wonder why.

Really? You really have to wonder why?

It's fairly self-evident to me.

	24-08-2005 22:58									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker It still goes along with the idea of being provoked, so no backtracking, only clarification. The person in question was implying there was something wrong with us.

I never mentioned you not once cause I know I can't joke with you anymore least the world ends.

And if Sava is so thinned skinned he needs to watch out what he dishes out everyday. He at least knew when to move on and get over it. I'm not impressed with your impersonation of the wounded party. Not everyone cares enough to attack you man. Some people joke around a little here and there, but I suppose you can't do that anymore.

	24-08-2005 23:04									#107
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Well I am calling for the assassination of Robertson...anyone willing?

	24-08-2005 23:06									#108
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quote: "I didn't say 'assassination.' I said our special forces should 'take him out.' And 'take him out' can be a number of things, including kidnapping; there are a number of ways to take out a dictator from power besides killing him.

aaaah that settles it!
we can SIMLPY kidnapping him and hold him without trial for ever in guadanamo

that makes perfect sense

	24-08-2005 23:09									#109
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Com'on Ben, you can do better than with a False Dilemma. My position hasn't been "human is speical" for a long time. AFAICT, that never was my position since I started posting on 'Poly. The only thing I can see that can set human beings apart from other animals is sentience. That would make sentience special, however, not us. Or rather, any animal with sentience is as special as us.

Yay! UR pulled out his logic dictionary again. Now he can accuse people of committing the same flaws that he uses simply by giving names to them. Now that's arguing!

	25-08-2005 00:12									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Well I am calling for the assassination of Robertson...anyone willing?

That's despicable! I am, however, willing to "take him out". First we'll go for a stroll in the park, followed by dinner and dancing. Finally, I'll throw him in a deep hole and let him rot. Oh wait, did I say that out loud?

	25-08-2005 00:29									#111
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Does freedom of speech include asking for the murder of named persons or groups of persons?

	25-08-2005 00:49									#112
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quote: The only thing I can see that can set human beings apart from other animals is sentience. That would make sentience special, however, not us. Or rather, any animal with sentience is as special as us.

I think we need to take this elsewhere... Start another thread.

	25-08-2005 01:37									#113
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Well, the fact he was able to say that and not gotten his media empire utterly dismantled, nor ever haven gotten castigated by the right-wing spin machine shows that obviously he does have osme power. I mean, he was basically saying America got what it deserved, and not ONCE did I hear Rush, or Hannity, or O'Reilly go after him, not once. You have to wonder why.

the leading right wing bloggers, like Instapundit, coined the word "idiotarian" in part to describe Robertson after 9/11. As for the talk show guys, theyre stupid too.

	25-08-2005 01:59									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie Does freedom of speech include asking for the murder of named persons or groups of persons?

In the U.S.?

I know they do allow groups that spew hatred and intolerance (like the KKK). So, it's possible they also allow calls for assassinations...as long as they're foreigners residing outside the U.S.

I guess we'll find out if Patty gets charged. (Not likely.)

	25-08-2005 02:12									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Winston I wish Jesse Jackson would just shut up and concentrate his efforts on cheating on his wife.

But cheating right-wing pundits should just keep on talking?

	25-08-2005 02:15									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi What would it take for you to call him a communist?

The blood of the catpialists and latifundia running in the streets.

AFAIC, Chavez is very likely going to be one of the most successful socialists in history. Since he didn't come to power via revolution, charges of him being a dictator don't stick, despite how much the right-wing flings it. The U.S. is too tied up in other wars to invade Venezuela, and their oil power makes an embargo political suicide for the U.S.

	25-08-2005 02:19									#117
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara But cheating right-wing pundits should just keep on talking?

I already ridiculed Robertson, on page 1, chegitz guevara. Quit being so paranoid.

	25-08-2005 02:21									#118
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I never said Robertson cheated. AFAIK, he has been faithful. Many, many other American conservatives, however, have not. If rumor is to be believed, that includes our Prez. For example, you never say Newt Gingrich should keep his cheatin mouth shut.

Frankly, AFAIC, cheating on your partner is irrelevent to whether or not someone is a valid leader. You can be a sucky human being and still do lots of good. Look at Mother Theresa.

	25-08-2005 02:23									#119
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I didn't take issue with your saying Robertson cheated. But you did say it.

Are you drunk?

	25-08-2005 02:26									#120
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I never said Robertson cheated. Look at my post. My issue with you is that you don't maintain universal standards. You criticize Jackson for cheating on his wife, but don't criticize conservatives who do the same.