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Robertson: U.S. should 'take out' Venezuela's Chavez
Christian broadcaster says 'cheaper than starting a war'
(CNN) -- Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson has called for the United States to assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, calling him "a terrific danger" bent on exporting Communism and Islamic extremism across the Americas.
"If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it," Robertson told viewers on his "The 700 Club" show Monday. "It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war."
Robertson, a contender for the Republican presidential nomination in 1988, called Chavez "a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil, that could hurt us badly."
"We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability," Robertson said. "We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."
Robertson accused Chavez, a left-wing populist with close ties to Cuban President Fidel Castro, of trying to make Venezuela "a launching pad for Communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent."
"This is in our sphere of influence, so we can't let this happen," he said.
Chavez has said he believes the United States is trying to assassinate him, vowing that Venezuela, which accounts for more than 10 percent of U.S. oil imports, would shut off the flow of oil if that happens.
The Unites States has denied such allegations in the past.
Executive orders issued by Presidents Ford and Reagan banned political assassinations.
Robertson's comments Monday were the latest in a string of controversial remarks in recent years by the religious broadcaster and founder of the Christian Coalition.
Last October, during the heat of the presidential race, Robertson told CNN that during a meeting with President Bush before the invasion of Iraq, the president told him he did not believe there would be casualties. The White House strongly denied the claim.
In May, during an ABC interview, Robertson ignited a firestorm with his response to a question about whether activist judges were more of a threat to America than terrorists.
"If they look over the course of 100 years, I think the gradual erosion of the consensus that's held our country together is probably more serious than a few bearded terrorists who fly into buildings," he said.
Defending his remarks in a letter to Sen. Frank Lautenberg, Robertson insisted he was not being cavalier about the 9/11 attacks. But he also refused to apologize, saying Supreme Court rulings on abortion, religious expression in the public square, pornography and same-sex marriage "are all of themselves graver dangers in the decades to come than the terrorists which our great nation has defeated in Afghanistan and Iraq."
A 'nuke' for Foggy Bottom
In October 2003, Robertson, criticizing the State Department during an interview on "The 700 Club," said "maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up," referring to the nickname for the department's headquarters in Washington.
State Department spokesman Richard Boucher called the remark "despicable."
In July 2003, Robertson asked his audience to pray for three justices to retire from the Supreme Court so they could be replaced with more conservative jurists. "One justice is 83 years old, another has cancer and another has a heart condition," he said.
Robertson insisted he was only calling for prayers for the justices to retire and was not asking his followers to pray for their demise.
In November 2002, Robertson charged that the Muslim holy book, the Quran, incites followers to kill people of other faiths and disputed Bush's characterization of Islam as a religion of peace.
"It's clear from the teachings of the Quran and also from the history of Islam that it's anything but peaceful," Robertson said in a subsequent interview with CNN. "Of course there are peace-loving Muslims. But at the same time, at the core of this religion ... is jihad, and it is to subject the unbelievers either to forced conversion or death. That's what it teaches."
Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/23/ro...avez/index.html |
Wow!
I mean...
Wow!
I checked the CIA factbook.
Venezuala? 96% Roman Catholic
A hotbed of Islamic Fundamentalism if I ever saw one.
I only wish that Chavez is nutty enough to order Robertson assassinated. That would be awesome. 
Discuss.
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Aug 2001
time: 00:37
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There's that good Christian spirit! Don't like someone? Kill him!
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Mar 2001
time: 23:37
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Chavez calls for democracy at work
Iain Bruce
In Puerto Ordaz, Venezuela
The heat and the noise are almost unbearable in the casting room of Line 3 at Alcasa.
This is one of two big aluminium plants in the south-eastern city of Puerto Ordaz, where most of Venezuela's basic industries are concentrated.
It is also the test bed for a new experiment in co-management, which President Hugo Chavez says is a key step towards a "socialism of the twenty-first century".
Alcides Rivero, who works here as a maintenance electrician, says co-management means that for the first time in this company's 37 years of existence, the workforce has control.
"It's us, the workers", he says, "who decide on questions of production and technology, and it's us who elect who will be our managers."
Marivit Lopez, from the personnel department, explains that the workers are also drawing up a "participatory budget" for 2006.
"The different departmental works councils are discussing and amending the existing proposal so that we get a budget that really fits the company's needs," she says.
Modern socialism
The works councils are the cornerstone of this co-management experiment at Alcasa.
During a session at Rodding Shed No. 3, one elected representative from each area team work amid reams of statistics, charts sketched on the white board and scale models.
The representatives are discussing possible solutions to their department's biggest technical problem; how to reorganise maintenance and procurement in order to get a longer working life out of the graphite anodes, the components used to separate the pure aluminium.
According to the man steering this whole process, one of the aims of co-management is to break down the barriers between intellectual and physical labour; between those who do the thinking and those who do the work.
Carlos Lanz, recently appointed president of Alcasa, and himself a former guerrilla leader, says the results are already visible.
"Democratic planning is such a powerful lever that even with rather outdated technology we have managed to increase production by 11%," he says.
Mr Lanz points out that this is not the co-management of European social democracy, which in his view has been limited to giving the workers shares and a seat on the board.
"This is about workers controlling the factory and that is why it is a step towards socialism of the twenty-first century."
Worker involvement
So far, Venezuela's co-management plans have been confined to state owned companies like Alcasa, and to two small private companies that had already gone bankrupt.
Early this year the government took over the Venepal paper factory and the Valvulas valve factory.
They were relaunched under co-management, with 51% of the shares owned by the state and the workers organised in a co-operative holding the remaining 49%.
But last Mayday President Hugo Chavez said he wanted to go further.
He suggested that many more private companies might qualify for government assistance if they too involved their workers in the management.
He announced that a draft bill was being presented to Congress for discussion.
State intervention
The president's announcement has made some business leaders confused and concerned.
Tony Herrera, of the Venezuelan-American Chamber of Commerce, says it is still very difficult to grasp exactly what is meant by the government's co-management proposal.
He fears it may just mean more state control over the economy.
"The problem in Venezuela has been that the road to hell has been paved with good intentions in the past," he says.
"The state has made many attempts to intervene in the economy over many years, and the result is there for all to see."
The head of Venezuela's main business association, Fedecameras, agrees.
Albis Munoz says she doesn't want to see co-management imposed on Venezuelan companies by law, but she says she wouldn't have a problem with the kind of co-management developed by the Christian Democrats in Germany - in other words, a freely negotiated, strategic alliance between employees, employers and consumers.
That, however, does not seem to be what the people at Alcasa have in mind.
Marivit Lopez speaks enthusiastically of pressing ahead with what she calls "revolutionary co-management"; part of "the transition to a new system of production".
With government support, she and some of the others from the aluminium factory are running courses for employees at the other state industries in the region - on "how to organise your own system of co-management".
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/...ess/4155936.stm
Published: 2005/08/17 22:37:08 GMT
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It seems Chavez likes Democracy more than America.
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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
time: 07:37
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Yeah, well, YOUR people made that a bit of a problem, you genocidal bastards.
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Naah. That part of history is probably bullshit. Phoenicians were canaanites, and they were still around together the Israelites ( who were canaanites, also).
Now, if we could only free the minds of the Edomites, Moavites, Arameans, Phoenicians, Assyrians, Babylonians and Egyptians.....
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