01-09-2005 23:16									#601
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara You didn't drive around NO very much, did you? NO has dikes transversing the city. I've driven over several. They are one either side of the canals that carry water away that run through the city.

Nah - too dangerous!

Actually two return journeys - once coming and going and once going to see the cute lil' gators in the Bayou...

Still apart from the industrial canal to the east, none of these canals actually sector off the main part of the city as they only go part way into the city - so you're wrong despite having driven over several of them...

You didn't design the bulkheads for the Titanic did you?

	01-09-2005 23:17									#602
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IMO, Bush has dropped the ball on this one. I want to see some leadership from him either today or tomorrow not just dopey comments about citizenship and community.

	01-09-2005 23:19									#603
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quote: Originally posted by Brundlefly No, it spared millions of lives and spared millions of homes from damage, but it found Trent Lott's home..

I think the trade off sucked don't you? It's not like Lott is going to be affected by it that much. But I guess if it makes some liberal feel good that Lott's home was destroyed at that price, who am I to argue.

	01-09-2005 23:21									#604
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber I wasn't too impressed with his remarks either but what would you want him to do. Cry like a baby for a few hours?

Imagine a guy like Reagan or Kennedy delivering a speach about what they plan to do...

At least to me, Bush sounds like a used car salesman next to the likes of them.

*edited in* To keep it on topic, i read the Saints might play the whole year on the road or at an alternate location, perhaps leading to them moving to Los Angeles full time. What a sad twist that would be. I dont know the process behind a team moving in the NFL, but if I were another owner, and it were put to a vote, i'd vote the Saints stay in NO for sentimental reasons atleast.

	01-09-2005 23:22									#605
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand You do nothing but personal digs. Thanks though. I needed a good laugh.

I just give as good as I get.

Whenever 'the other side' can't answer my posts, rather than admitting the shame of defeat they resort to personal attacks...

Consider my ripostes as a free extra...

	01-09-2005 23:32									#606
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH IMO, Bush has dropped the ball on this one. I want to see some leadership from him either today or tomorrow not just dopey comments about citizenship and community.

Bush dropped the ball...

When invading Iraq has cost so much money that requests to improve levees last year were refused

When the 'peace' of Iraq has proved such a drain on manpower that the Louisiana National Guard is over there and not where they should be - guarding their patch of the nation.

Katrina and the Louisana National Guard

Bush is at least in some way accountable both for the destruction of New Orleans and hindering the recovery...

	01-09-2005 23:37									#607
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quote: Originally posted by Ninot Imagine a guy like Reagan or Kennedy delivering a speach about what they plan to do... At least to me, Bush sounds like a used car salesman next to the likes of them.

I'm not giving you any agruements on that. I'm just more concerned about what will actually happen than what he says. I find more inspiration from the folks down here in Arkansas(and many around the South) who are opening up their homes and wallets and sending truckloads of water down there everyday than in what someone regardless of party says in DC. The Feds are going to have to do something because ordinary people can only give so much.

	01-09-2005 23:40									#608
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quote: What I want to know is where is Hollywood? Where are the benifits and donations? Should we lie to them and say it happened in a foreign country so that their give a **** is triggered?

You're so much better than they are.

Celebrity Auction to Raise Funds for Katrina Disaster Relief

NBC, MTV Airing Celebrity Charity Concerts…

Celebrities organize appeals for relief funds

Celebrity telethons, concerts to appeal for relief

Hollywood Lends A Helping Hand

	01-09-2005 23:43									#609
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CNN: "New Orleans hospital halts patient evacuations after coming under sniper fire, a doctor who witnessed the incident says. Details soon."

	02-09-2005 00:03									#610
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What kind of crazyness is that?

	02-09-2005 00:06									#611
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous You're so much better than they are. [/URL]

*takes a deep breath* I apologize. It's been a long hot day here.

	02-09-2005 00:51									#612
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Oh yeah, it was a children's hospital. They were trying to move neonatal care patients. Some guy on top of the building across the street starting taking shots at the NG vehicle as it was being loaded.

Some helicopter flights to bring more doctors into the city have been haulted due to security fears.

	02-09-2005 00:55									#613
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The National Guard should be authorised to return live fire against whoever is shooting. If people are dying and starving and someone is preventing the help efforts with guns, that makes him a very dangerous criminal.

	02-09-2005 00:57									#614
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As of this afternoon, the governor said that all NG troops and police (both local and the others coming in) have both arrest powers and the authorization to use 'whatever force necessary' to bring order to the city.

	02-09-2005 00:59									#615
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Is the governor authorised to give such orders? Aren't the National Guard, in fact, military?

	02-09-2005 01:03									#616
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Under control of the governors. I'm not entirely sure where in the command structure they fit, but national guard units belong to the states.

	02-09-2005 01:18									#617
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quote: Originally posted by Koyaanisqatsi but national guard units belong to the states.

Though apparently the US govt thinks they should be in Iraq instead shoring up the inadequacies of the US Army...

quote: JACKSON BARRACKS -- When members of the Louisiana National Guard left for Iraq in October, they took a lot equipment with them. Dozens of high water vehicles, humvees, refuelers and generators are now abroad, and in the event of a major natural disaster that, could be a problem. "The National Guard needs that equipment back home to support the homeland security mission," said Lt. Colonel Pete Schneider with the LA National Guard. And the St. Louis Post-Dispatch: In no state have those deaths registered more than in Louisiana. Louisiana, along with New York, has lost more guardsmen and reservists - 23 as of July 24 - than any state in the nation, and all but one of those deaths have come in the last eight months. Before Bush took office, the NATIONAL guard was to help out with things like the hurricane that is slamming into LA as we speak. Well tough ****, they are in Iraq!

	02-09-2005 01:35									#618
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Because clearly the purpose of national guard units is to sit in the state waiting for a natural disaster to happen, rather than support the US military.

	02-09-2005 01:39									#619
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national guard units are under control of the governors, but can be "nationalized" by order of the President. They are available for both local service, and national military service.

	02-09-2005 01:39									#620
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Because clearly the purpose of national guard units is to sit in the state waiting for a natural disaster to happen, rather than support the US military.

actually...

yes

NATIONAL GUARD

=

guard the nation


not


go die in iraq

that's why we have an army

	02-09-2005 01:41									#621
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you have an army to go die in iraq?

	02-09-2005 01:41									#622
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber I think the trade off sucked don't you? It's not like Lott is going to be affected by it that much. But I guess if it makes some liberal feel good that Lott's home was destroyed at that price, who am I to argue.

Dude, it's just a bright star in an otherwise dark night. Don't harsh our mellow.

	02-09-2005 01:44									#623
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber I apologize.

	02-09-2005 01:45									#624
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark national guard units are under control of the governors, but can be "nationalized" by order of the President. They are available for both local service, and national military service.

I know that. They're primary purpose, however, is as a military reserve.

	02-09-2005 01:49									#625
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Actually, their primary purpose is to defend against domestic insurrection.

	02-09-2005 01:52									#626
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Geez. There's a FEMA guy on now...he was just asked what the incoming NG units would be doing to protect the people in shelters and the transports moving people out. His response: "Protect them from what?"

	02-09-2005 01:56									#627
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Mobius, I know you're a big expert on the USA, but several National Guardsmen have been as lacking as you in knowledge.
Their first priority is a kind of homeland security effort, to use today's nomenclature; but besides that, they AND the Coast Guard can be called into duty on foreign soil.
Coast Guard most definitely learned this in Vietnam, as the coasts included patrolling rivers.
Many national guard units were and are pressed into service to support the army, of which thay are a part.

Go gather your facts before attempting to be cute, because you fail miserably so far at being either cute or accurate.

	02-09-2005 01:59									#628
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Bush dropped the ball... When invading Iraq has cost so much money that requests to improve levees last year were refused When the 'peace' of Iraq has proved such a drain on manpower that the Louisiana National Guard is over there and not where they should be - guarding their patch of the nation. Katrina and the Louisana National Guard Bush is at least in some way accountable both for the destruction of New Orleans and hindering the recovery...

Do you yourself write for the liberal-whiner blogs or just scour them for pathetic comments to use as your own?

No president has allocated the billions of dollars it would take to build a levee/pumping system that would have survived Katrina, nor could one ever do so. The small decrease in funding (while foolish in hindsight) would not have had an effect.

Your ignorance of the National Guard and its employment is simply pathetic and unworthy of further comment.

	02-09-2005 02:22									#629
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Last warning... this is an informational thread... NOT a political thread. If you continue to push your politics in this thread, you will have to find someplace else to post them, because you WILL GET RESTRICTED here!

SpencerH, MOBIUS, SlowwHand and all others who want to talk politics... DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE!

	02-09-2005 02:31									#630
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Their first priority is a kind of homeland security effort

You said it...

quote: Go gather your facts before attempting to be cute, because you fail miserably so far at being either cute or accurate.

Facts gathered - as supplied by you!

If you're having to dip into your homeland security military reserve then your military is inadequately manned...

It is anarchy on the streets of New Orleans right now or hadn't you heard - the very people that should be dealing with this disaster are half a world away in Iraq!

They're talking about needing 40,000 troops just to deal with this - the reason why people are complaining it's taking so long for the military to instill order is because they're having to come in from outside!