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DanS
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Kickball Capital of the World
Jan 1970
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Hmmm... Confirmed that the first bus was a renegade school bus! It must have been looted!
I have now officially seen everything.
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Wiglaf
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Cambridge
Dec 2000
time: 23:37
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To the guy who called me an ass, I'm not sure what you were referring to. Anyway I meant to say that all this attention is greatly appreciated and is very necessary.
I grew up in New Orleans for a time and actually had to evacuate because I was visiting my parents this summer. They are in Jackson MS and are quite depressed. I am as well and am not sure what to do about this situation. It seems everything is lost. Friendships, property, everything. To add insult to injury we even lost power where we evacuated.
It is important to note that the blackest areas of the city - especially the projects - are the poorest and are the people who could not leave. It is horrible but they are the ones who are on overpasses without food. All the rich white people left. I think the city's greatest failing, aside from levee protection, is letting these people starve like this. Not moving prisoners, and instead releasing them, does not seem too bright either.
FYI no, Ray Nagin is not smart, in fact he is a moron. But he means well.
There are other tragedies of kids and families suddenly spread out across the country, looking to get back together. My friend at Tulane is attending classes at rhodes, trying to focus even though his home was destroyed entirely. Tulane simply told its students to get out with little instruction on returning. Some high schools are obliterated entirely. What should these classes do? The suddeness of all this is truly amazing.
As an update, the colonel I referred to had to leave to the superdome after exhausting his rations and ammunition. That the man had to shoot his street up is a sign of how bad the looting truly is down there. His name is Tim Huete I believe 
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techumseh
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of the frozen North.
Apr 1999
time: 22:37
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Originally posted by notyoueither
Wait for it. Our turn is coming. When the 'big one' hits, it could possibly wipe out Vancouver Island and major chunks of the lower mainland rather than, or in addition to LA and SF.
What sort of shape do you think the event will find our preparations in? Worse, how much outside help are we likely to be able to expect?
Fact is people don't really prepare for these sorts of things. If they did, half of North America would be living on the Canadian Shield and the great plains, not on the hurricane coasts and major fault lines. |
First, your prediction is speculative, and not based on anything but assumptions. Your suggestion that the emergency planning on the west coast of Canada would be equally ineffective is also simply an assumption.
Second, a severe earthquake based on the Pacific subduction zone happens on average every 10,000 years or so. When it does come it may be far more devastating than Katrina, but there will be no warning.
On the other hand, hurricanes hit the gulf coast every year or so. And there's always some warning at least. So a comprehensive evacuation plan is more feasable in response to a hurricane. I did check the NO emergency plan online. The evacuation plan consists of maps of routes out of the city and tips on how to pack your car, including pets.
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notyoueither
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of naught
Aug 2001
time: 22:37
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Originally posted by techumseh
First, your prediction is speculative, and not based on anything but assumptions. Your suggestion that the emergency planning on the west coast of Canada would be equally ineffective is also simply an assumption. |
I'm suggesting that it is nonexistant, despite a significant area of population living on top of ground zero for one of the major geological events of the forseeable age.
Nobody on Vancouver island has a clue what to do, other than grab their asses and kiss them goodbye.
The rest of Canada is less prepared than that.
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Second, a severe earthquake based on the Pacific subduction zone happens on average every 10,000 years or so. When it does come it may be far more devastating than Katrina, but there will be no warning. |
Bingo! And the fact that major shakes are long overdue would lead you to think we may have made preparations, would it not?
Unfortunately, we have made zero preparations.
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On the other hand, hurricanes hit the gulf coast every year or so. And there's always some warning at least. So a comprehensive evacuation plan is more feasable in response to a hurricane. I did check the NO emergency plan online. The evacuation plan consists of maps of routes out of the city and tips on how to pack your car, including pets. |
That is a lot more than the people of BC have been exposed to. Sort of negligent, don't you think? Given that they live on top of the same series of faults that Californians have built for and prepared for for these so many years.
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techumseh
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of the frozen North.
Apr 1999
time: 22:37
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Originally posted by notyoueither
I'm suggesting that it is nonexistant, despite a significant area of population living on top of ground zero for one of the major geological events of the forseeable age.
Nobody on Vancouver island has a clue what to do, other than grab their asses and kiss them goodbye.
The rest of Canada is less prepared than that. |
Let me be more blunt: this is just your assertion - prove it.
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Bingo! And the fact that major shakes are long overdue would lead you to think we may have made preparations, would it not?
Unfortunately, we have made zero preparations. |
Again, prove it.
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That is a lot more than the people of BC have been exposed to. Sort of negligent, don't you think? Given that they live on top of the same series of faults that Californians have built for and prepared for for these so many years. |
This isn't the case. The geological situation is much different. It's not two plates rubbing against each other like the San Andreas fault, which produces frequent but relatively small earthquakes. Its a subduction zone, where the entire Pacific Plate is being pushed down and under the North American Plate, resulting in very infrequent but devastating earthquakes. A major earthquake at Vancouver would probalby be 8.0+ in magnitude, and would be similar to the 1985 quake that killed 10,000 in Mexico.
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notyoueither
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of naught
Aug 2001
time: 22:37
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Originally posted by techumseh
Let me be more blunt: this is just your assertion - prove it. |
let me be more blunt. You just did.
Were you even aware that major faults threaten BC?
What made you think that the events that may lead to LA dissappearing under the waves would have no direct impact on 3 million or more Canadians?
Oh, jolly, you invite me to prove that which does not exist. You're good, but I'm not falling for that.
Instead, I would invite you to show me a 'what you do in case of major earth tremors' anywhere on the GoC or GoBC web sites.
I would invite you to show evacuation plans and plans for deployment of major relief efforts... through the shattered mountain passes... and we have no serious airlift capacity... and OMFG, the lower mainland of BC is gonna be all alone to cope with major damage due to tremor and then tidal waves...
Please show me the plans to deal with this.
You're the one claiming incompetence in the absense of plans for the easily forseeable.
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This isn't the case. The geological situation is much different. It's not two plates rubbing against each other like the San Andreas fault, which produces frequent but relatively small earthquakes. Its a subduction zone, where the entire Pacific Plate is being pushed down and under the North American Plate, resulting in very infrequent but devastating earthquakes. A major earthquake at Vancouver would probalby be 8.0+ in magnitude, and would be similar to the 1985 quake that killed 10,000 in Mexico. |
Which is it? Is it the case that a major quake could strike BC, or is it not?
Oh, and the faults do run all the way up there to just off the coast of Vancouver Island. I was sort of surprised when I read about them. I'd read about CA all my life. I was 35 years old before I read that Vancouver Island stood a good chance of slipping beneath the waves during my lifetime.
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