30-08-2005 01:56									#181
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat I don't think that you are aware of the power of a hurricane - a nuke against a hurricane is like a mosquito attacking an elephant.

bruce willis did it

	30-08-2005 02:00									#182
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But he's no mosquito. Incredibly annoying, but no mosquito.

	30-08-2005 02:02									#183
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quote: Originally posted by Dis am I an idiot? As predicted this storm really hasn't done much damage or killed many people. It's you guys who need to stop listening to these doom and gloom "experts" who say the entire city would be destroyed. I knew that wouldn't happen.

The Hurricane veered. It was the "better" side of Katrina that hit New Orleans.

If it had hit where it was predicted with the strength of a Category 5, things would be a lot different.

	30-08-2005 02:36									#184
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That happened last year as well you know. The problem with worst-case scenarios is that they're worst-case scenarios, and therefore rather unlikely.

That said, building a major city 2 meters beneath sea-level in an area prone to hurricanes is kind of asking for problems.

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	30-08-2005 02:41									#185
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Power's out over a wide area, and I head on TWC that New Orleans may be without power for a month.

	30-08-2005 02:41									#186
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf bruce willis did it

Bruce Willis is quite entertaining when you want to see a movie where you don't need to use your brain, though, I can't for the moment remember one where he tried to nuke a hurricane.

I guess that 200 times the current production capacity of electric energy is a little bit more than a nuke.

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/D7.html

	30-08-2005 02:44									#187
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It's also on the delta of the major continental river in North America, and as such was a logical place to build a city for the colonists.

There's quite a few cities like that that are quite susceptible to even slight rises in water levels. Cities such as Amsterdam, Rotterdam, London, Antwerp, Hamburg in Europe, New York, Philadelphia or San Fransisco in the US, Rio de Janeiro or Quayaquil in South America, Lagos or Cairo in Africa, Sidney in Australia, Dacca, Hong Kong or Karachi in Asia. All would suffer massively from a 20ft+ rise in water level. Admittedly not all are in the path of hurricanes, but it's an unfortunate circumstance that the the most fertile land (though not in the case of the bayous I guess), with best access to early trade routes are also thouse closest to sea level that are susceptible to these things.

	30-08-2005 03:20									#188
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Sensation journalism

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	30-08-2005 04:27									#189
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quote: Oceanfront property in Arkansas available for 350,000$ for two acres! Buy it while it's cheap!

If I could sell an acre for $175,000 I wouldn't ever have to lift a finger for the rest of my life.

I think some lakeside lots around Hot Springs are pretty high. $30K? Probably too high. I wouldn't be interested in buying them, so I don't remember.

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New Orleans looks pretty rough, but there will be a massive recovery effort. Things will return to normal, sooner than we expect.

The weather here in Camden has been mostly cloudy with enjoyable temperatures and light wind in the past hour. I think we're right near the very edge of all the clouds that the hurricane encompasses, or something. No rain.

As Mississippi and Appalachia get rained on, all that rain will drain into the Mississippi (River) and go right back through New Orleans...will this be a major concern?

	30-08-2005 04:56									#190
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Another bad thing will be listening to the nimrods that stayed behind to write blogs, and/or booze it up, talking about what a wonderfully exciting experience it was.

A perfect chance to thin the herd, wasted.

	30-08-2005 05:03									#191
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So it missed New Orleans and was only a cat 3 anyway - I guess all that furious praying worked after all...

	30-08-2005 05:06									#192
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All you doom-mongerers should feel ashamed of yourselves - it wasn't exactly a 'storm in a teacup' but it certainly wasn't a major catastrophe either...

	30-08-2005 06:11									#193
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS I find it ironic that people are saying things like "god help them", considering stuff like this is usually called an 'Act of god'...

I find it ironic that you can turn even this into a bad troll.

	30-08-2005 06:50									#194
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Glad to hear it didn't get as bad as feared. But I still think there's cause for concern for the people who've had their lives shattered..

	30-08-2005 08:10									#195
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It was no stroll in the park.
New Orleans is there, that doesn't make it all is well.

Contrary to some people's thoughts.

	30-08-2005 08:16									#196
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And let's not forget that Biloxi, Mobile and other places on the coast were hit really hard by this storm too... and we haven't heard as much about those places as we have about NO.

	30-08-2005 08:27									#197
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An AP report is saying there are at least 55 people known to be dead so far. That already surpasses Andrew's toll.

	30-08-2005 08:31									#198
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It's going to get a lot worse than that. The CNN reporter sounds like she's about to crack...she was out with the rescue boats, but they couldn't get to a lot of people and they weren't even able to get to the worst hit areas yet.

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov An AP report is saying there are at least 55 people known to be dead so far. That already surpasses Andrew's toll.

I heard 30 alone were killed in one apartment complex in Biloxi.

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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS All you doom-mongerers should feel ashamed of yourselves - it wasn't exactly a 'storm in a teacup' but it certainly wasn't a major catastrophe either...

tempest.

	30-08-2005 09:51									#201
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No Newer Orleans

	30-08-2005 09:57									#202
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quote: Originally posted by ajbera I heard 30 alone were killed in one apartment complex in Biloxi.

That sounds an awful lot like the urban legend of Camile.

	30-08-2005 10:03									#203
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Well if it's just an urban legend, it's not that awful.

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CNN's confirming it...

edit: Not just from one complex, though, that's just the inital report from the area.

reedit: Yes, it was from one building.

Also just said that about 20 sq mi of city and suburbs near New Orleans was underwater...

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	30-08-2005 10:26									#205
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It's hard for me to believe this was the same storm.

I wonder if they need volunteers to help. It's not like I'm doing anything productive right now.

	30-08-2005 11:26									#206
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Tulane Univ. Hospital looks like it might be evacuated soon...water is currently rising at a an inch every 5 minutes, and once it hits the second floor they lose their generators...she just said there's over a thousand people there, and they'd all have to leave through the helipad.

There's a two-block long breach in the levy holding back Lake Pont...the lake is coming into the city. ****.

	30-08-2005 11:32									#207
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Seems CNN is now reporting a "2 block-long breach in Ponchartrain levee ..CNN 11:28 PDT"

Crap.

	30-08-2005 11:45									#208
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Here's a streaming vid of the NO mayor giving a not-very-sunny report:
http://www.wwltv.com/perl/common/vi...082905mayor.wmv

	30-08-2005 11:46									#209
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Ok, it's not a place I've ever been, so I don't know...but, given that Lake Ponchartrain is above sea level, and most of the city is below, is there anything that stops the lake from submerging everything north of the river with the levee gone?

(A on this map is the hospital I mentioned...)

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	30-08-2005 11:54									#210
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I'm having trouble getting Google Earth to tell me where the "17th Street Canal" is exactly. The two spots I got are both well-inside the urban developement between the lake and the river. Either way, water has the nasty habit of widening levee gaps...