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lord of the mark
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
time: 00:37
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from the blog edan linked to
"Well that was interesting.
First of all here is the status of River Ridge (70123)...
Major, major debris, lots of trees down. Flooding - the usual suspects, all now drained. Streets are impassable either because of water yesterday or currently because of major oak trees down. Power poles broken in half fairly common. Power lines generally still up in the air not many on the ground. Most roofs INTACT. No window damage except where trees have dropped onto homes. Soniat Canal was a raging river (still high), but has not come over the banks. That water went somewhere, probably Kenner...
Evacuees have been calling me non-stop. Everyone is furious that all media coverage is of the CBD and French Quarter. But I can understand that. It may very well be a week before anyone can even get here.
Where I am, we are completely isolated, either by old growth oak trees coming down through houses onto the roads or by floodwaters.
The roads are IMPASSABLE. Jefferson Highway appears to be open.
Flooding here during the storm equals the May flood of a few years back.
Utilities other than BellSouth, cellular (though cell fading) and natural gas are unavailable - this includes power, cable, and WATER. Cell and telco lines are extremely difficult if not impossible to dial out, but calls do come in.
Walking the streets is very eerie. The only sounds are of wind and alarms going off in the distance. It's a struggle to walk around with all of the debris and water. After this post and especially tommorrow, I will venture further out on foot and report back. Today I will check out Citrus."
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lord of the mark
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
time: 00:37
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quote:
Originally posted by Dis
Is this a good time to suggest that we move the city elsewhere? Why do we need New Orleans. Isn't it stupid to put cities on low ground? |
Its where the most important inland waterway system in North America hits the sea. You cant not have a major seaport there.
and by the way, it looks like a fair amount of the infrastructure will survive, if damaged. The cost to rebuild will likely be less than the cost to build a new port city, or equivalently expand an existing one.
By the way, this is NOT good news for any countries that rely on grain imports. It IS potentially good news for countries like Brazil and Argentina that export grains and soybeans.
Last edited by lord of the mark on 31-08-2005 at 02:06
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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:37
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quote:
Originally posted by Dis
It still has not killed tens of thousands of people. And that is what you posters here were predicting. I laugh at that number.  |
Nobody here predicted it would. One person posted an article with an estimate that the absolute worst-case scenario (direct hit by large cat. 5 storm) could possible kill tens of thousands. Nobody said it would definitely do so, however.
Even so, as Sprayber notes, the death toll could conceivably be in the thousands before too long. How does that jive with your "predictions" that not many people would die? Does it have to be 5 digits to be "many" for you?
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And the predictions were the entire city of New Orleans would be destroyed. This has not happened. Sure they are under water. But eventually the water will be pumped out. And the buildings will be cleaned up and ready to use again. The city is by no means destroyed. |
The only person who said that was fg. And regardless, the damage is massively catastrophic, as the reports are indicating. I'm wager well over 50% of the buildings will be in need of demolishing. Simply pumping water out doesn't fix everything, you know.
It's very early--and, frankly, utterly tasteless--to be crowing about anything, Dis. But tasteless seems to be your forte in this thread.
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Everyone will still be alive (except for the people that are old and should be dead anyways) |
Indeed. 
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lightblue
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L'Boro, UK
Oct 2001
time: 05:37
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This thread (and most of the news coverage over here at least) seems to be concentrated on New Orleans (and the supposed 30 deaths in one appartment complex in Biloxi). Is there any news on how affected the surrounding areas are? I am guessing if New Orleans is sinking then a lot of the other towns on or near the delta are as well, do they have similar levee/pump systems? I am just worried that large aprts seem unaccounted for, so that the bodycount could rise rather swiftly once they're accounted for.
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lord of the mark
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
time: 00:37
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New Orleans Times Picayune:
"Patients at downtown New Orleans hospitals that are being inundated with flood waters are being evacuated to triage centers on the LSU and Nicholls State campus.
People who are being rescued off of roofs will also be sent by helicopter, ambulance or bus to the triage centers, said Dr. Jimmy Guidry, the state health officer. Medical experts will evaluate whether they can be sent to a regular shelter, a special needs shelter or a hospital.
Guidry said some of the people who had been trapped by the floodwaters are dehydrated or have other medical problems, but that some weathered their plights without health complications.
Earlier in the day there were 2,500 people in hospitals in the metropolitan New Orleans area, Guidry said. While the waters are receding in some areas, many patients need to be moved out of Charity, the Tulane hospital and University Medical Center, he said.
Fuel was brought to the hospitals earlier in the day to keep generators running, but some of the generators are at risk of being flooded out, he said.
Guidry confirmed reports that four people have died at the Superdome, which was used as a shelter of last resort. While one person reportedly fell, the others had been sick patients, including some on ventilators, he said. "
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Edan
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quote:
Originally posted by Dis
Demolish 50% of the buildings? come on!! That's negative thinking. |
Most of those houses won't be fit for human habitation. From mushroom, bacteria and mold growth to structural problems, those houses are going to need major renovation at a minimum.
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L'Boro, UK
Oct 2001
time: 05:37
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It'll be cheaper to build truly effective flood defenses (think dutch delta works) than to relocate the entire city and infrastructure. Might as well get some practise anyway as the sea level rises might become problematic for a lot more major cities in the next century or so.
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lord of the mark
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
time: 00:37
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quote:
Originally posted by Dis
okay then (I lied about not posting in this thread again  ), I'll believe you guys when you say 50% of the city must be demolished.
Why then can't we relocate the city? Sure it's a port city, but there are other ports on the gulf coast. It was very important before the railroad. But now we can use railroads to transport goods to cities such as Mobile, Alabama. And load up ships from there.
I'm sorry if I'm not sypmpathetic enough. But bulding skyscrapers and a huge city in such low laying land seems stupid to me. If this global warming thing is true, this will not be the last time this city get hit hard. How many times do we rebuild the same city? |
first, youre right - I think the 50% is pessimistic. theyre focusing on the worst hit wards, east of downtown. Apparently some areas the buildings werent all submerged.
second, its costlier to build anew than to repair, as a general rule.
third - Mobile doesnt have the capacity. Youd have to put a huge investment to add the capacity there. You have to compare that to the cost of rebuilding NoLa.
fourth - you cant just substitute rail for water. The freight rail system has capacity issues NOW. You cant just pull all the traffic off the mississippi/missouri/ohio system - the Corps of engineers has been looking at INCREASING capacity on the system. In if you have any spare money on hand, id suggest leasing a covered hopper rail car - theyll be at a premium very soon - in fact the lease rates are probably already up - the need to divert the grain harvest to rail is going to stretch the railroads capacities, not to mention drive up rail rates, and thus delivered grain prices. Not all of the people who are gonna die cause of this hurricane live in North America. But back to the topic - if you were to divert all the river traffic that moves via NoLa to rail, you'll have to make huge new investments in the rail industry - add that to the investments in alternative ports (not to mention the added on going costs of rail, versus barge)
No, rebuilding New Orleans right where it is makes a lot of sense.
BUT 1. Restore wetlands and barrier islands, to reduce hurricane damage
2. Improve building codes
3. Consider abandoning the lowest lying neighborhoods
4. Improve evacuation plans
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Edan
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quote:
Originally posted by germanos
It appears the water is flowing out. Is it just low tide or had the sea risen due to Katrina previously?
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It's one of the levees breaking. The watrers rushing in from the lake (at the bottom) into the city (at the top).
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