29-08-2005 22:02									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse It is apparently going to hit Mississippi now and New Orleans won't be hit as bad as many predicted originally. Going with the God thing, I might tell my evangelical, anti-Catholic ex girlfriend that God is saving the Catholics in New Orleans and attacking the Southern Baptists in Mississippi.

Let the party recommence!

Amen.

	29-08-2005 22:17									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Katrina isn't even the strongest hurricane to hit this area.

Camile didn't hit New Orleans, so once again, you are wrong. Katrina, at it's peak, was the 4th strongest recorded Atlantic storm in history.

	29-08-2005 23:13									#33
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The tons of hurricanes this year has more to do with us entering an active phase than global warming.

	29-08-2005 23:15									#34
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Yep. It also means the paths changed, meaning Florida is now more likely to be hit that it has been in the past 30 years. Probably means Texas and N. Carolina are gonna take less hits now, but the rest of the Gulf will also get pounded.

	30-08-2005 00:10									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Oooh oooh but can I point out that the Bush Administration has steadily cut New Orlean's funds for hurricane preparedness every year since 2001, including a $71 million dollar slash in next year's budget?

I think this is a good move. New Orleans should make its own preparations to weather these storms. It's a local problem and it's unseemly to have to beg the federal government for money.

	30-08-2005 00:15									#36
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So reducing their capacity to deal with it and then having to spend billions in federal money to build it up again makes sense? Also, correct me if i am wrong, isn't La. one of the poorer states in the US? Maybe they don't have the money.

	30-08-2005 00:27									#37
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quote: Maybe they don't have the money.

If they want to live in such low-lying areas, they need to pony up the money so that such a thing is realistic. Pretty simple, really.

	30-08-2005 00:35									#38
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quote: Originally posted by DanS If they want to live in such low-lying areas, they need to pony up the money so that such a thing is realistic. Pretty simple, really.

Did you mean to make such a ridiculously funny comment?

	30-08-2005 01:03									#39
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quote: Originally posted by orange New Orleans is sinking man and I don't wanna swim

Don't ever sing that song again.

	30-08-2005 01:17									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin Did you mean to make such a ridiculously funny comment?

Probably not. What's so funny about it?

	30-08-2005 02:29									#41
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I don't know, I see a country as unit stronger through its parts. So New Orleans and Louisana might not be the richest areas of the country, but the oil refining facilities and the port f.ex. add significantly to the US overall wealth, so it's in the federal governments interest to protect these bits and the workers that work on them, as well as the communities around them. But then the whole federal thing is not necesarrily something i am used to. I am guessing though most of the oil money is not going to Louisana but rather to Exxon or Texaco or whoever else is pumping in the Gulf.

	30-08-2005 02:39									#42
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All of those things might be true, but that doesn't really answer to whether it is wise to situate a city where New Orleans is situated. If as a net proposition they deem it wise, then the good citizens of New Orleans should find it necessary to spend the money to make sure that the city doesn't sink into the sea.

I am rather more disinterested in the proposition as a personal matter you see. The good people of New Orleans (my family included) should be able to make the proper decisions without my permission.

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	30-08-2005 02:44									#43
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You act like it's so easy to move a three hundred+ year old city or that the French knew that a hurricane would swamp the place periodically. Economically, NO is very well situated, and is still important for our economy today.

	30-08-2005 02:51									#44
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Why would I want to move New Orleans? Why would I even have a say in the matter through the federal government? I'm not a citizen of New Orleans and the surrounding area.

I was watching Senator Landreau beg for federal money on TV yesterday and thought it ridiculous that she be brought to the rather bizarre situation of begging me for my consent for her to do the right thing as she saw it.

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	30-08-2005 02:58									#45
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Because the country as a whole would suffer if the people of New Orleans decided to sack it in and move to Omaha or something? As i said i am unfamiliar of the whole federal thing (from personal experience anyway), but in most countries here the rich parts support the poor parts, especially if the poor parts provide essential roles in the smooth functioning of the national economy.

	30-08-2005 03:05									#46
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quote: Because the country as a whole would suffer if the people of New Orleans decided to sack it in and move to Omaha or something?

Why would it suffer? What's wrong with Omaha?

Not understanding the federal thing isn't important. The right and wise principle is that you make decisions at the most local level practical.

	30-08-2005 03:51									#47
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Camile didn't hit New Orleans, so once again, you are wrong. Katrina, at it's peak, was the 4th strongest recorded Atlantic storm in history.

By "this area" I meant the Gulf Coast of Louisiana and Mississippi, the area that took the brunt of this storm. Camille hit the same area in '69 and was definitely stronger.

	30-08-2005 04:00									#48
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quote: Originally posted by DanS All of those things might be true, but that doesn't really answer to whether it is wise to situate a city where New Orleans is situated. If as a net proposition they deem it wise, then the good citizens of New Orleans should find it necessary to spend the money to make sure that the city doesn't sink into the sea. I am rather more disinterested in the proposition as a personal matter you see. The good people of New Orleans (my family included) should be able to make the proper decisions without my permission.

Somehow I think that Stalin would have a really good laugh reading this, oh, and yes, he would have moved the city - why waste resources.

	30-08-2005 04:32									#49
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Is the principle of subsidiarity so funny?

	30-08-2005 04:32									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse It's pretty much a non-argument when you have many mission trips to South America to convert Catholics. Then they go around and accuse Catholics of not being evangelical enough because they don't send many missions to South America, even though there are large Catholic evangelical efforts in places like Southeast Asia and Africa.

I wonder if the Baptists (et al) realize that South America is like 95%+ Catholic. I'd hope they weren't evangelizing there!

Oh, and I see DanS is once again being a total tool.

	30-08-2005 04:58									#51
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Apparently, once you start living off the federal government teat, the federal government is the only place to make decisions like this. It didn't take long for you to become a hopeless bureaucrat, Imran. Next thing you know, you'll become a card-carrying democrat.

	30-08-2005 05:09									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Oh, and I see DanS is once again being a total tool.

Well we wouldn't want him to change would we...?

Yep, a classic case of the selfish 'I'm alright Jack' attitude of his we so well know and love...

	30-08-2005 08:39									#53
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Around 1984 there was a flood around where I lived and people all along the river were wiped out completely. I'm talking houses floating down the river kind of stuff. Most were pretty expensive houses and they cried and cried cause they all got washed away. Today there are double the people living in the same exact location betting that the river won't ever get back up to where it was. I don't have much sympathy for people constantly building in areas where they know is going to flood. Now I understand the whole city can't pick up and move but I can't think of any rational reason I would invest my life savings into a place below sea level if I live next to it.



Then again I'm just hill folk

	30-08-2005 09:03									#54
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Well we wouldn't want him to change would we...? Yep, a classic case of the selfish 'I'm alright Jack' attitude of his we so well know and love...

Yep, and of course, we know that the politicos won't cut the funding for Washington to survive a natural disaster.

It's kind of like the promotion of preventative care. It's cheaper to keep paying for people to keep on going to see the doctor every year than it is to end up having to deal with a horrible illness that wasn't diagnosed in time.

Most rational people realize that the funding may have prevented some of the biggest damage that the feds are going to end up paying anyway because they really aren't in the mood to see their 'recovery' go up in smoke because one of the biggest cities in the country can't recover from a natural disaster because of lack of local funds.

Of course, like I said, it takes rational people, not Bush ass-kissers.

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quote: Yep, and of course, we know that the politicos won't cut the funding for Washington to survive a natural disaster.

DC is a federal city, for better and worse.

When did you start relying on lame ass arguments, Imran?

quote: It's kind of like the promotion of preventative care. It's cheaper to keep paying for people to keep on going to see the doctor every year than it is to end up having to deal with a horrible illness that wasn't diagnosed in time.

I have faith in the people of New Orleans to build adequate levees, if they intend to continue to live there. Why is the federal government a necessary aspect of this process?

	30-08-2005 09:08									#56
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quote: Most rational people realize that the funding may have prevented some of the biggest damage

Why? Unless you can point to evidence that New Orleans was planning to increase the height of their levees but couldn't because of a lack of funds, any rational person would conclude that statements like those above are hogwash.

	30-08-2005 09:10									#57
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quote: Originally posted by DanS When did you start relying on lame ass arguments, Imran?

Sorry, that's your sole jurisdiction.

	30-08-2005 09:11									#58
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I cross-edited you.

	30-08-2005 09:11									#59
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WTF? Tons of people on these boards use lame ass arguments. DanS doesn't have anything near sole jurisdiction over them.

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	30-08-2005 09:11									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: Most rational people realize that the funding may have prevented some of the biggest damage Why? Unless you can point to evidence that New Orleans was planning to increase the height of their levees but couldn't because of a lack of funds, any rational person would conclude that statements like those above are hogwash.

What exactly do you think New Orleans would have done with increased hurricane prevention funds? Send them back? They may have increased the levees, or strengthened them, or done other projects to reduce any damage a hurricane may cause.