31-08-2005 02:44									#31
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quote: greatest general in our history.

Dubious advantage. I will be saddened, but not particularly worried if you decide to cross the Alps

Secondly, I can live with a defeat. It means I have more troops available to fight barbarians and the Romans have to deal with you later. A complete victory at this point is a perk.
But a victory for you is a little bit more crucial to the continued integrity of your dominion.

Edit: okay nevermind I won't be responding to any more posts about AHENES in this thread, friendly banter is fine but let's at least keep it to friendly banter about this NES

	31-08-2005 02:50									#32
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Iberia to Arabia :

It is unseemly for Muslim brothers to continue quarreling and not forgive each other. We want to heal the rift between our lands, as we are both within the House of Islam. We propose a normalization of diplomacy, trade, travel, and exchange of learning.

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Bavarians to World:
We see many of you have mistaken our name. We are "Bavarian" not "Barbarian". If you correct this for the future it would be much appreciated.

	31-08-2005 02:55									#34
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quote: Originally posted by foolish_icarus Iberia to Arabia : It is unseemly for Muslim brothers to continue quarreling and not forgive each other. We want to heal the rift between our lands, as we are both within the House of Islam. We propose a normalization of diplomacy, trade, travel, and exchange of learning.

To: Iberia
From: Arabia

That deal is favoured to you. The pilgrimage to Medina and Mecca is an essential part of Islam. Return some land to us in North Africa, and we will accept the offer.

	31-08-2005 03:06									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Nuclear We still have ... the greatest general in our history.

Last comment for me on the matter:

Very dubious, since he's dead. Check out this from Micha's last full update:

"Hamilcar, the hero of Carthage, was shot from his horse and died in a chariot charge. "

	31-08-2005 03:07									#36
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Iberia to Arabia:

You dare try to use one of the very Pillars of Our Faith as a bargaining chip for your political aspirations? You remind us why we broke out from under your power. We are trying to heal wounds, but such efforts are worthless if they are not voluntarily and genuinely entered into.


...Meanwhile, in the palace at Castulo...

"Hmm. Some barbarians sent us an envoy. None of our local administrators in the north where he was initally received could understand any of what he was trying to say. They sent him down here in hope that a learned man would know what the indistinguishable mush that comes off his tongue is supposed to mean."

"Very well, send him to the University, perhaps someone there will be able to translate"


EDIT-- From your location on the map, I don't think you even are Bavarians

	31-08-2005 03:28									#37
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Their territory isn't exactly right. I will probably have to change that first update. Mostly the Bavarians should have more territory to the north. I didn't actually expect anyone to pick them; it's fine that Gamecube did, just surprised me. Probably need to give them a UU, too.

	31-08-2005 03:37									#38
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quote: Originally posted by appleciders Last comment for me on the matter: Very dubious, since he's dead. Check out this from Micha's last full update: "Hamilcar, the hero of Carthage, was shot from his horse and died in a chariot charge. "

*cough*Hannibal*cough*

To: Iberia

I believe I should remind you that you have not had access to Medina and Mecca for eight years, because you, not I, broke up the Islamic Empire. But I am not an unreasonable person. If you do not wish to return any of the land that you stole, then all Muslims who come into our land for the pilgrimage must pay a tax. Or, give us a port city in the European mainland.

	31-08-2005 04:43									#39
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To Bavaria:

We will stop calling you barbarians if you send us some of that refreshing wheat beer.

To Byzantium

We propose a pact of co-operation and mutual assistance against any outside threat.

To UMK

We propose a pact of co-operation and mutual assistance against any outside threat.

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Nevermind.

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to Arabia :

Very well, since we have no choice then our citizens will pay a toll to pass through on their pilgrimage. May Allah be merciful.


to Bavaria :

Ve havst translated der messageshmidt, and greet you varmly. Ve hope das borders vill remain secure, und our volks may live in peace. Ve are pleased you intend to becommen civilized, and ve suggesten that you civilize your spirit as vell as your country by accepting der teachings of die True God Allah und his Prophet Muhammad.


to Rome:

Greetings. We hope that our peoples will live in peace, and our travellers will be safe in each other's lands. As peoples of the Book, we know that your faith is in some ways similar to ours. As we tolerate your religion in our lands, we hope you will also tolerate our religion in your lands.

	31-08-2005 06:08									#42
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Byzantium to NRE:

While we aren't interested in a mutual-defense treaty, we believe a NAP might be a good idea.

UMK to NRE:
We accept.

	31-08-2005 06:22									#43
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Rome to Iberia:

Sure, we recognise the status quo and besides have some internal affairs to look up to. You know the usual nation building after centuries of barbarian invasions. Anyhow we have a lot of muslim traders in both Venice and Naples as well as some Tunisian venture capitalists in Milan. We are very tolerable and civilized people, every religion is respected and wont be taunted upon, that we promise. We are a bit concerned about the presence of three foreign armies close to Milan and Turin. Perhaps you would be so kind as to move the Southern army a bit more westwards. It would calm our people in Turin down considerably.

To Byzantium:

Fair enough.

To UMK:

Alright! Is there anything we could do for you at the moment?

	31-08-2005 06:41									#44
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Bavaria to Rome:
A trade of beer could be arranged, what do you have that would be of use to us?

Bavaria to Iberia:
A lesser man would have killed you for that insult to our beliefs, however I am willing to let things slide for now...

Bavaria to surrounding tribes(these are what inhabit all the unclaimed big blank area, correct?):
Clearly recent events have put us in much danger, any of you who wish to join the Kingdom of Bavaria are highly encourage to do so. Our very existance is threatened if we can not join together for our protection. You probably know what has happened to the mighty Franks, correct? Any of us could be next.

	31-08-2005 07:57									#45
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Iberia to Rome:

We can arrange to withdraw that army a little ways. Perhaps you would also like to move your army a little bit away from the border?


to Barbvaria:

Perhaps we misuntranslated, but did you just threaten to kill us? Ve are sure it vas a minor mistunderstanderen, and you would not do such a dumbkoffly thing. Pray (to the Merciful, the Benevolent, the Protector) tell, what vas it the you really intenderen to say?

	31-08-2005 08:08									#46
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The New Roman Empire




Hail new era of prosperity! Hail Rome! Hail United Italy!

The people gathered at Forum Romanum cheered as Caesar Augustus Licinius Fortis Concors I finished his speech at what was left of the rostra, the speakers podium. The Forum had certainly seen better days and many of its buildings were in fact in ruins. Looters and constructors had used marble from the former administrative buildings. The once vibrant and powerhouse of the Empire had been neglected for centuries, its infrastructure was crumbling and war waeriness had made people religiously deterministic and apathetic. With the vigour of a 21-year old bankers son, the new emperor had made some decicions.

By appointment of the Senate and people of Rome I have laid out a new plan to revive the City and the Empire. This New Deal is meant to correct the past mistakes and breathe some of that famous Roman spirit once more to these hills and valleys.

- Land reform; village by village, all the private and state lands will be given to the peasants. The owners of the latifundii will be compensated and have the right to purchase their land back if the peasants are willing to sell. This applies only to every village and community that sends 25% of their men aged 16-27 to serve at the army for a period of 5 years when called for. This mandatory service will be later taken into account in issues of law and applying for public positions and vacanciens. Meeting the conscription goals will also result in reduced taxation for a village or community.

- Rebuilding of Rome; Milan, Venice, Florence and Naples are required to pay a small extra tax to revive the Capital District. Money will be spent in repairing the Aqueducts, state institutions, police and fire services as well as rebuilding the port facilities in Rome.

- Rationalisation of the army and relabeling it Roman Defence Force. As you all know the legions were if anything an aggressive attacking army. It is time to develop its defense capabilities. Teaching of Aristotlean geometry and maths will be main subjects in the new Military Technical Academy based in Milan. The selected officers will study and generate new fortification methods, materials and weapons.

- Every literate man or woman in the City of Rome will have to enlist next saturday at the Trajans Forum for a possible civil service assignment . We need to build a working government and bureucracy and everyone is needed.

- Looting of the ruins, including Circus Maximus, Naumachia Augusta, Stadium Dominitiani and Colosseum will now on be punishable by the death. Same applies to stealing, murdering and raping. Throwing litter or human waste to the streets will be punished and wagons to collect such material will be organised by the city. The Bari Defense Force will be relocated to the Pretorian barracks in Rome to maintain law and order in the city.

- The same City orders will be applied to the whole empire but other cities are given a 3 year transitional period.

- Local councils will be given more power to decide how to spend their tax income in best possible way to the benefit of their respective voters. They will all get to send their representative to the state senate which will get a new Curia as soon as possible.



This potrait of Caesar Augustus Licinius Fortis Concors I was taken before his hair caught on fire after a wild retirement party to his fathers banking colleague Gaius Valentius.

After reading his 7 fold reform plan the Emperor declared a 2 day feast for all the people to enjoy. The poor and the peasants were particularly happy about the promises of social justice. While the rich and powerful were somewhat uncertain about the future of their properties. To calm them down they were promised an insured account on the state bank and most favoured supplier status in grain and cattle deals for the army and state.

Orders

- New army bootcamps will be established in the vicinity of Milan, Rome and Naples.

- In Venice building of a new grand arsenal and naval base will be commenced. Ports will remain open for traders from all over the world and goods are to be either tax-free or minimally taxated.

- Move the Milanese Army away from the border to Milan.

- Move the Bari Defense Force to Rome.

- Start the New Deal.

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	31-08-2005 08:19									#47
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Rome to Bavaria:

We have some excellent wine and lemon spirits. Perhaps your people would like to try them for for a reduced price?

Rome to Iberia:

Thank you for you gesture of good will. We shall move our Milanese Army inwards to the city as a well.

	31-08-2005 08:20									#48
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Surrounding Tribes to Bavaria:
We'd love to enter a mutual protection pact.

UMK to NRE:
We're thrilled to be allowed access to your ports.

	31-08-2005 08:23									#49
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The old Roman buildings were looted largely in part because most things associated with brutal, heathen Rome, were of course considered brutal and heathenish, and despised or at least looked down upon. Be careful how much you associate yourself with pagan Rome.

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Bavaria to Iberia:
I mean a common man would have felt so enraged by your blatant disregard and disrespect for our established religion that he would feel the need to kill you. I, being the leader of Bavaria, have a much calmer temper, but would advise you to not insult our highly held beliefs. Would you insult another kingdom like Rome or Byzantium, as you have us?

	31-08-2005 08:32									#51
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Bavaria to Rome:
We wish to try these, variety is what makes life great after all, correct?

	31-08-2005 08:33									#52
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While I'm not a religious fanatic, I'm certainly not an apostata either. See that monogram pictured above? Its the officialsymbol of the Emperor of the New Roman Empire.

Our state motto : "Pax tibi Marce, Evangelista Meus" (Peace to you, o Mark, my evangelist)

Our state flag:

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	31-08-2005 08:34									#53
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Arabia to Bavaria:

Do not be offended by my Muslim brother. He we just trying to say that by converting to Islam, that your nation would be blessed by Allah, and you would gain rewards both spiritually, and in this world.

	31-08-2005 09:14									#54
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to Bavaria :

What he said.

	31-08-2005 12:13									#55
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Wow, familiar map. It looksl iek the U.M.K. is still uncalimed and I am just the dude to do so.

	31-08-2005 12:23									#56
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Excellent. Once Micha comes back, we will have a full house.

	31-08-2005 21:22									#57
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Yep. This is all surprising to me; I expected Byzantium to be among the first to be picked.

	31-08-2005 22:11									#58
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I think an infantry or pillaging special would fit well with Bavaria

The Kingdom of Bavaria

Envoys will be sent asking surrounding tribes to give us soldiers to guard the border with Iberia. Tribes that do so will have a construction crew sent to their village which will build wooden watch towers. The tribes north of us will be asked to warn us of any Iberian movement in the north, so we may quickly rally our forces.

Military training centers will be built in Lyon and Vienna. They should have enough space for marching, sparring, and an archery range, and have a blacksmith nearby to make weapons and armor. Soldiers stationed in these cities will teach the recruits how to march and spar with them to tech them how to fight. Every able bodied young Bavarian man will be enlisted in the military, recruiting in both Lyon and Vienna.

The light infantry in Vienna will move to Lyon. The archers and heavy infantry in Vienna will remain there.

	31-08-2005 22:40									#59
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I think that's about right, since the Bavarians are mostly descended from the Goths anyway. Anyway, 2 orders in, of a total of 5.

	31-08-2005 22:53									#60
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quote: Every able bodied young Bavarian man will be enlisted in the military

Will Bavaria be needing us to sell it food, textiles, metalware, pottery, commercial crops, artisan goods, et al?


As is custom, non-Muslims will be tolerated and free, but residents have to pay a tax unless they convert.

As relations with Arabia are tense, we will be expanding our trade with the other Mediterranean powers to compensate. Our agricultural and manufactured products can be traded for other countries' stuff. This includes sea-trade with the low countries, allowing us access to northern European resources and markets.

Aqueducts improve agriculture in dry parts of Spain, and we continue to translate the great intellectual works that we have access to, opening several new universities for medicine, study of religion, architecture, math, and astronomy.

Move that Roman border guard army to Tolosa.