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Will Bavaria be needing us to sell it food, textiles, metalware, pottery, commercial crops, artisan goods, et al?


As is custom, non-Muslims will be tolerated and free, but residents have to pay a tax unless they convert.

As relations with Arabia are tense, we will be expanding our trade with the other Mediterranean powers to compensate. Our agricultural and manufactured products can be traded for other countries' stuff. This includes sea-trade with the low countries, allowing us access to northern European resources and markets.

Aqueducts improve agriculture in dry parts of Spain, and we continue to translate the great intellectual works that we have access to, opening several new universities for medicine, study of religion, architecture, math, and astronomy.

Move that Roman border guard army to Tolosa.


I'm pretty sure that only People of the Book are allowed and must pay a tax, and no other religions are allowed to live in the kingdom, but the rules may differ with a less-religious Muslim kingdom.

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Aqueducts improve agriculture in dry parts of Spain...

Move that Roman border guard army to Tolosa.


In the immortal (and paraphrased) words of the Great Alex Trebek, "Please form your orders in the form of an order. With that first bit, it's a bit hard to decide if you're telling me aqueducts are already there, so I take it into account, or ordering more aqueducts built.

Also, everyone should note that I will not ever rename an army unless you specifically direct me to do so. That army will remain named "Roman Border Guard" until you change it.

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By young men I mean about 16 to mid-twenties and those who wish stay longer. IIRC life expectency is in thirties/forties for this time? There still should be women, children, and older or weak men to do work, right?

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Ok sorry I was rushed. Build more aquaducts (Historically, Muslim Spain had advanced infrastructure that fell into decay during the reconquista and was not brought up to the same standard again until the 19th century)

Any non Muslims are tolerated provided they pay the tax and don't make a nuisance of themselves (If this is explicitly against some Quranic directive, then change it to comply).

Rename the Roman border guard to the Army of Tolosa


The emir has also realized that our nation will need a bigger navy. We have not yet started actual construction, but the best naval architects and shipbuilders are gathering at the port of Barcelona, where the timber, metal, cloth, and other necessary materials are being gathered, and a fine fleet of strong, swift ships will be built over the next years. Merchants are taking this opportunity of the gathering of the most skilled workers and designers and the best materials to place orders for their own trade ships and the like.

Could you change the name of Castulo to Cordova?

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To: The Kingdom of Berenike
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We are offering you a chance to join our glorious Muslim kingdom. If you convert to Islam, your people will have the same rights as Arabian natives, and your people will not be discriminated against. Join the kingdom, and we will protect you, and you will become glorious.

To: Lybian Nomads
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We are offering you a chance to join our glorious Muslim kingdom. If you convert to Islam, your people will have the same rights as Arabian natives, and your people will not be discriminated against. Join the kingdom, and we will protect you.

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Berenike to Arabia:
While we mean no disrespect, we see no benefit to joining your kingdom, while we can remain sovereign. We look forward to peaceful interaction in the future.

Lybians to Arabia:
Tempt us with your foul heathen ways, would you? We would never surrender our precious liberty to slave under the thumb of Easterners!

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Arabia to Lybia:

It seems your nation has suffered rough times since you helped the Carthaginians destroy the Oasis Siwa.

Arabia to Byzantine:

Your cruelty to the Jews is common knowledge. Your treatment of the Jews is unwarranted, and we ask that you allow them entry into the Arabian empire. Remember, if you don't, the Khazars are right next to you.

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Byzantium to Arabia:
The Jews, like all citizens of our empire, are free to emigrate anywhere they wish. The fact that they haven't chosen to emigrate to Arabia yet suggests they don't want to. While their religion is not in itself beneficial, it does allow them to make loans, which is useful. And the Khazars are probably more interested in sacking Trabzon than us.

Libya to Arabia:
Our abuse at the hands of Carthage has taught us not to trust foul outsiders!

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Arabia to Byzantium:
I look forward to you backing up your statement when the time comes, and the only reason you have all the Jews working with currency, is that they are not allowed in any other jobs.

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Draw a line straight up and down centered on Paris. Now draw a line straight side to side centered on Tours. Where those lines meet is where the Army of Tours is going, as they will be escorting settlers to expand our borders in the region.

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To: Iberia
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Are you interested in creating a joint-university for Islam and science? While, we're at it, this brings me to a new idea. We must show that the Muslims are united. Would you be interested in creating a city that is not Arabian or Iberian, but Muslim? It would be a good idea to show our new relationship.

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ooc: I'm going to attempt to keep my out of this world chicanery to a minum in this game. That doesn't mean thta my old ways of radical tomfoolery are done though. At least that is my goal.


I like your chicanery. At least we'll have radical tomfoolery

Iberia to Arabia :

We like the university idea. The free travel of scientists, clerics, historians, and other academics would also be good. Of course that would be helped if you weren't taxing them. The city idea is possible...where do you suggest it be built?

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My suggestion is that we build it close to the border. In fact, right where the Lybians are now. Since it seems like they are rather hostile, it might be better to destroy them first. Do you have any other location in mind?

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I don't see logically how we could administer it. Either one of us has to be in charge, or the city effectively becomes independent. None of those is an option, because it either eliminates the point or becomes a liability to our internal security. We should just stick with trade, travel, and learning.

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Well, where would you place the university then?

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Carthage or some other city close to the border.

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Byzantium to Arabia: The Jews are free to leave, at their discretion, and that's the last we have to say on the matter.

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Not here; I've written updates for those who've put in orders. Just waiting on Bipolarbear and Lord Nuclear.

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No, and if they don't hurry up, they will. Deadline 9:00 A.M. US Pacific time Sunday morning (about 18 hours from now).

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My orders will be in before that time. It's been a busy few days.

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Ok. I understand.

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Orders--
We are to encourage Jews from all around the world to leave the land they are currently in, and come to Arabia. More specifically, the Jews in the Byzantine Empire. If they come, they will NOT be discriminated against, and will only have to pay a small tax, which brings me to another point. They are welcome to come to Babylon, which is currently the non-official capital of the Jews.

There is a new deal for the People of the Book. If you sign up to the military for five years, you and your immediate family will be EXEMPT from taxes. You are not able to, however, sign up to become part of a light infantry unit.

The King will be going around the empire, giving speeches about Allah and Islam, how we need to exploit our scientific advantage over the other nations, but how we also need to follow all the laws that Allah gave to Mohammed. He is to stress that he is a descendent of Mohammed, and that we are not to reform our society, or change our religion. Once in Cyrene, he is to announce the beginning of the construction of a new, glorious Mosque in the city. The style of the Mosque will be similar to the Dome of the Rock, which was recently built.

While the King goes around the empire, a large group of War Camels and Cavalry Archers will follow him, encouraging the population to become like them, and help defend Islam, Medina and Mecca, and the Empire.

Start creating interest for the soon-to-be built University in Carthage, shared with the Caliphate of Iberia. This will be a once-in-a-lifetime chance. The Caliphate of Arabia will begin to open it's borders to Iberia. Depending on the size and wealth of the family, they will be taxed when they enter the Empire.

The beginning of a new road-network throughout the empire should be planned. We are to search for the best engineers, scientists, and labourers in the Empire to plan it. They are not to begin construction, but are just to plan at this time.

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Thanks for the orders but... I believe Babylon had been destroyed by this point, and was never rebuilt. I remember deciding against putting it on the map for that reason. Wikipedia confirms this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon
Are you intending to rebuild it?

EDIT: Nevermind, deadline past, update started.

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First Update: 745 A.D.


Bavaria:
Envoys to the tribes in the north produced large quantities of young, able bodied recruits, whom the villages sent in return for Bavarian built watch towers. These new recruits ("Northern Recruits"- North of Lyon) bring word of continued Iberian encroachment. Their chiefteins fear being hunted down individually by the Muslims, as the Franks were, and so several tribes north of Lyon have sworn fealty to Bavaria; keeping some of their power while gaining the protection of the Bavarian Army.

The building of military training centers in Lyon and Vienna raised national awareness of the need for the military, and recruitment quotas were met so quickly that the conscription of young men was dropped.

Trade with Rome brought in many new items, piqueing interest in foreign goods, which may also have helped with the recruitment drives.

Iberian settlers moved eastward from Tours, guarded by the Army of Tours, on to land claimed by both the Franks and a cheiftain who recently swore fealty to the Bavarians. Small Frankish skirmish groups hindered the advance, but the main army was too far away to oppose the Iberians. The cheiftain whose lands were taken cries out for help from the Bavarian army. The other cheiftains who swore allegiance to Bavaria may leave again if this cheiftain's claim is not upheld.


Iberia:
The Iberian settlers from Tours met with light resistance, but the Army of Tours easily put down such weak and disorganized resistance. A cheiftain identifying himself as Bavarian claimed that the Iberians would pay for these incursions, but he was quickly thrown out of camp. The settlers set up small camps in the area, precursors to permanent settlements.

The construction of aqueducts in the dryest portions of Spain boosted agricultural productivity, and won the favor of the local inhabitants.

The congregation of many ship building companies and merchants in Barcelona has raised that city out of obscurity. While no ships have yet been built, the excitement is building.

New universities have been opened across Iberian territory, most notably in Aquae, where a large and already prestigious university has caught the attention of the Western Mediterranean.

While the existing fleet does not have the size or resources to reach the low countries, sea trade has begun with the UMK, slightly improving the economy of the Mediterranean coast. A tax imposed on non-Muslims has also generated both a bonus to the treasury and a slight rise in conversion.



Rome:
Many new changes, taxes, and conscription raised unrest amongst the peoples of the newly reunified Rome this half-decade. Several small civil uprisings were put down, but the uprising in Bari was too large and the military too far away. The illiterate poor were told by the better-educated rich that this "New Deal" meant the government would steal and redistribute to Rome everything they owned. Bari has declared itself independant of the Emperor, and raised a small army to uphold this claim.

In other cities, protest was less severe, partly because the newly rechristened Roman Defense Force quietly and quickly "pacified" the more violent protesters. Venice and Rome had few protests, due to the massive new constructions started this turn.

The new military training camps at Rome, Milan, and Naples were barely enough to handle the massive influx of new recruits, hoping for the glory days of old, conquering and holding an empire, led by the best generals in the world. This new "Roman Defense Force" is not exactly what they were expecting, but it is fervently hoped by the populace that something like the conquests of old will be in store.

The new naval base at Venice is only partially finished, but already merchants from all over the Mediterranean have flocked to Venice to trade, especially for the beer coming from Bavaria. The small taxes and tariffs generated only a little income, but the money the merchants spent in Venetian shops has made the city of Venice significantly richer.

Rome itself is looking better as well, with new aqueducts providing a fresher supply of water than Rome has seen in centuries. The Roman populace seems excited by this, especially the growing middle class, mostly literate small merchants. The upper class was quite unhappy with being required to actually work, but have been putting up with it for now.


Byzantium:
Not wanting to be surpassed by his nieghbors, the Emperor of Byzantium began a series of military recruitment campaigns. He announced his desire to reclaim many important regions of the historic Eastern Roman Empire, starting with the interior of Greece.

Small gains in the interior of Greece went unchallenged by the Edessans, who seemed to think such small losses not worth a war. However, the Edessans did state that no further Byzantine incursions would be tolerated.

The Byzantine armies in Italy also made use of the rebllion of Bari to make inroads towards Bari while the Roman Army was out of the way.

Accusations from abroad about the treatment of the Jewish population brought the Emperor's attention to this maltreated portion of the population. A series of new decrees guarantees all citizens the right to free travel both within and out of the empire.

The Emperor has also decreed that all sea trade in the Western Mediterranean must either be carried by a Byzantine-registered ship, or face taxation. All merchants wishing to register may do so at any Byzantine port. The Emperor hopes to reduce piracy through these measures.


France:
The remaining Frankish citizenry have unified under Charles Martel's heir, Pippin. Pippin has vowed to avange his father's death and is planning to start by taking back the most recent Iberian incursion. He urges the Bavarians to support the resistance movement.


Arabia:
The recent Arabian push to attract Jews has met with limited success. While much confusion gathered over why the King would say he wanted the Jews to move to Babylon- the city had been deserted for more than seven hundred years, and represented to the Jews the city where their ancestors were taken as slaves- a smattering of Jews moved back to the historic Israel area. More wait overseas, waiting to see if the new arrivals in Arabia will be persecuted beyond this tax.

The announcment of a new, enormous mosque in Cyrene was met with great interest by the population, who hope that the new mosque will attract many laborers and merchants to their city, as well as pilgrims.

The King has taken up the lecture circuit, creating great interest amongst his people. They are impressed that such a high personage would stoop to offer his wisdom about Allah to them, and are grateful for the chance to actually see him in person.

Many scholars and teachers have already begun preparations to relocate to Carthage to become teachers or students at the great University planned there. A few have already booked passage on ships to Syracuse, which has lately been styling itself as the "Gateway to Carthage," in order to attract such teachers.

Military recruitment has seen a slight rise. While many families clamor to get one of their sons into the army, families who already have one son serving the King see no reason to risk another, negating part of the gain. Still, a few new recruits were trained in the capital Ctesiphon.

The planning of a road network through the empire is partially complete; in some places complete enough to begin construction. This is seen as a great opportunity to increase internal trade and communication, and of great importance to the national defense.


Union of Mediterranean Kingdoms:
With little central government, a lack of orders from that government encouraged innovation on the parts of the UMK. Sicily has begun trying to attract scholars from Arabia, calling itself the "Gateway to Carthage." Sardinia and Corsica began trading, especially at the lucrative new markets and construction areas at Venice, Rome, Aquae, and Carthage. And the Balearic Islands turned to that ever-popular method of making a living in the Mediterranean- piracy.

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Hmm... About Babylon. I was almost 100% sure that there was still a large Jewish population still living there. I'll check it out.

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They wrote a book called "Lamentations" about Babylon. They're unlikely to go back there.

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More map corrections, if you feel like it:

Turin should be a little bit north, on the Po River.

Milan should be a tiny bit north and a little bit east, almost on the border with Bavaria.

Lyon is currently in Switzerland. It should be just about in the middle between the Loire and the flag of my Bavarian border guard.

 
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