31-08-2005 08:01									#31
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quote: But this should spur the debate, should people even live in areas that are prone to be destroyed durring hurricanes?

Yes...

from earthquakes in California, to wildfires in the mountain ranges, to tornados in the southwest, blizzards in the midwest, to hurricanes in the southeast, to New Jerseyites in the northeast--every part of the nation faces some danger from something.

	31-08-2005 08:06									#32
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if you notice I did not say if it will get hit by a dissaster, but if one hit how much damage would occur. For example New Orleans is below sea level, why would you put a city in a area below sea level and that is prone to hurricanes. That is plain stupid.

	31-08-2005 08:09									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Jack_www if you notice I did not say if it will get hit by a dissaster, but if one hit how much damage would occur. For example New Orleans is below sea level, why would you put a city in a area below sea level and that is prone to hurricanes. That is plain stupid.

Yes. If only the 16th-century French had remembered to bring their Doppler radar technology to the New World...

	31-08-2005 08:12									#34
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You dont need doppler radder to know if an area gets hit by hurricanes. Also that area has been hit by hurricanes in the past, but people decided to stay and rebluid.

	31-08-2005 08:14									#35
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California gets hit by earthquakes, but those bastards deserve it because they decide to stay and rebuild

	31-08-2005 08:16									#36
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no California deserves it for many other reasons

	31-08-2005 08:19									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Jack_www You dont need doppler radder to know if an area gets hit by hurricanes. Also that area has been hit by hurricanes in the past, but people decided to stay and rebluid.

Obviously because in the middle of the 1500's -- and for hundreds of years thereafter, arguably up to the present -- the benefit of controlling the mouth of the Mississippi far outweighed the cost of weathering hurricaines. Duh.

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	31-08-2005 08:51									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui California gets hit by earthquakes, but those bastards deserve it because they decide to stay and rebuild

I am not saying that at all. I am just saying that maybe people should consider whether it is worth it to conitnue to live in New Orleans.

	31-08-2005 08:52									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Jack_www I am not saying that at all. I am just saying that msybe people should consider weather it is worth it to conitnue to live in New Orleans.

pun intended?

	31-08-2005 08:52									#41
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no that was a miss spell

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quote: Originally posted by Jack_www I am not saying that at all. I am just saying that msybe people should consider weather it is worth it to conitnue to live in New Orleans.

Ditto for California. When the BIG ONE comes, it'll be far worse than this.

	31-08-2005 08:54									#43
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jack: not a missus? mrs.?

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	31-08-2005 09:04									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Jack_www You dont need doppler radder to know if an area gets hit by hurricanes. Also that area has been hit by hurricanes in the past, but people decided to stay and rebluid.

Very often it has something to do with Risk Analysis.

There is a chance of something bad happening to some place at all times. If nothing else, meteors can strike anywhere.

The thing is then to see how big a chance of something bad is going to happen, and how much is it going to cost to fix the damage. For example, the Boxing Day Tsunami is terrible, but it's something you probably don't see once every century.

You then see what your estimation is, as compared to how much it will cost for you to completely uproot yourself and go somewhere else. You will find the latter is usually much bigger. Even today in the US, many people aren't really mobile.

	31-08-2005 09:14									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Jack_www I am not saying that at all. I am just saying that maybe people should consider whether it is worth it to conitnue to live in New Orleans.

Why do you think people aren't considering that? Of course they are. Some will leave, because they can't take it any more. Most will stay, because a psychological attachment to home is more important than the losses they sustained. But everyone will consider it. They may not come to decisions you would agree with, but their decisions will be considered ones.

I remember during the Mississippi flood of 1993, people who had f*ck-all to begin with, and lost even that, moved right back to the floodplain when the waters receded. Why? Because there families had lived on that land for generations. I've never had that kind of sentimental attachment to place, but I can't say that it's not a considered reason to act as they did.

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quote: Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly Why do you think people aren't considering that? Of course they are. Some will leave, because they can't take it any more. Most will stay, because a psychological attachment to home is more important than the losses they sustained. But everyone will consider it. They may not come to decisions you would agree with, but their decisions will be considered ones. I remember during the Mississippi flood of 1993, people who had f*ck-all to begin with, and lost even that, moved right back to the floodplain when the waters receded. Why? Because there families had lived on that land for generations. I've never had that kind of sentimental attachment to place, but I can't say that it's not a considered reason to act as they did.

I noticed the same thing when orders to just evucate are given ahead of hurricanes. A lot of people even when their lives are in danager dont want to leave. I never got that.

	31-08-2005 09:17									#47
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Am I mistaken in the assumption that many, if not most, port cities are on the waterfront?
Or is this truly unique to New Orleans?

	31-08-2005 09:23									#48
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Am I mistaken in the assumption that many, if not most, port cities are on the waterfront? Or is this truly unique to New Orleans?

uhmmm

unless we're talking about space ports here

port cities kinda need to be on waterfronts

	31-08-2005 09:26									#49
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Sava, I believe he was being sarcastic.

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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Am I mistaken in the assumption that many, if not most, port cities are on the waterfront? Or is this truly unique to New Orleans?

You mean right on the ocean/sea instead of up river? I think NO is unusual in being up river, but I remember reading somewhere that there's a good reason for it.

Aha! From Wikipedia:

quote: The site was selected because it was a rare bit of natural high ground along the flood-prone banks of the lower Mississippi, and was adjacent to a Native American trading route and portage between the Mississippi and Lake Pontchartrain via Bayou St. John (known to the natives as Bayou Choupique).

	31-08-2005 09:27									#51
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High ground

	31-08-2005 09:28									#52
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There is a reason they southern LA (for Sava: that stands for Louisiana, not Los Angeles ) the Bayou

	31-08-2005 09:29									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Sava, I believe he was being sarcastic.

okay I can't tell if asher is driving 550 miles evrey damn day to work

how am i supposed to tell if tex here is not knowing wtf a waterfront is?!?!!?

	31-08-2005 10:05									#56
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cant argue with that

	31-08-2005 10:17									#57
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Well, just gave them a paycheck. Given that I'm a student, that's not exactly saying much, but my loans are coming in soon, so...

This is a nightmare.

	31-08-2005 13:30									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Verto Why should they? It's a relatively small natural disaster.

I don't know if you're joking or not , but this is a relatively small natural disaster .

	31-08-2005 14:18									#59
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I'd guess that european countries wouldn't offer money, but would offer techincal assitance, rescue teams etc if asked to do so. I'm not sure of any requests though.

IIRC India never asks for assistance due to some dort of national pride thing, I don't know if the US is the same.

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Also don't forget that parts of Europe have also been hit by a flood recently. Damages to the roads in one province of Austria amount to €100m, then there are some 1000 damaged buildings and several bridges. Some people died, but it was just 3 or 4 here (~30 in Romania).
Our government has a catastrophe fund which amounts to ~€30m.

Not that this would be anywhere near the dimension of New Orleans ofc...