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E_T is offline E_T
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Mar 2001
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Can we get interest back?? Suffering from ads?

Interests in this game has fallen, after the vassilation deal.

But we are working on our Redenption and need to let some of the lurkers and others who have left (yeah, I think they have lost total interest) that we are fighing the good fight and want to dsee them back.

So, what do we do about it?? Can someone send e-mails & PM's to the people to let them know the news??

E_T

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It would appear we cannot generate interest.

The first question I have - is everyone getting the save who wants it. That is key.

Secondly - are E_T, skro and I doing an OK job of keeping you informed. Lots gets posted - and I know it takes some time to read through a turn reprort or chat log - but that is part of the deal of demo games.

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You´re all doing great jobs!

Interest may be on a low now, but it certainly hasn´t perished yet. I will read through all those threads and maybe drop a comment or two, and I guess so are others.

Keep up the good work, please!

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Sorry that I haven't posted any screenshots, but atleast I keep up enough of a report (atleast I hope so) that someone else might be able to recreate and post one of their own.

Anyone, please feel free to do that.

E_T

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Is there real direction?

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We do need direction.

This game has been played in response to all the other civs actions on us.

We need to pick a direction and go with it. I had hoped to screw with BOH and AM, but Beta hinted that they might be working against us. Oh well. At least it was good for a laugh.

What do we plan on doing next? I need to get caught up. Is it LB (1889, Lord Nuclear), DR, and Babylon vs BOH, and AM? What's up with the Bards?

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Is there real direction?


Um yes - it is called survival.

Which means:

a) hold off and hopefully push back AM
b) keep BOH from joining in, and maybe even get them to pressure or attack AM
c) keep LB on-side with the current regime change there
d) hopefully bring DR around to a joint alliance.

These have all been discussed in the various turn threads and/or diplo threads.

Feel free to weigh in on any of these, or propose other ideas. We are in a somewhat desperate situation right now, so creativity is good. To that end, hats off to skro for his continued creativity in foreign relations.

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Sometimes refered to as lies.

I just hope that BOH bought it, and is looking to AM to satisfy their bloodlust.

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Please, could anyone give a *brief* summary of what happened during the past six weeks? When I left, the situation was as that:

> AM sneak-attacked us, gaining a city
> BOH offered peace, pulled back the offer, ranted about us, WAR
> LB posted that they officially joined the war on our side
> Eu was at war with BOH and DR and was getting a bloody nose
> DR suddenly became friends of BOH and only fought Eu, while officially still at war with us

So, what has changed, and how?

- Thanks, Micha

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Anyone? Please?

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There is a good whole game summary here.

I'd love to give an update but honestly I have no idea. I disappeared d/t illness and then the weekend (for what? 5 days?) and I see that LB has offered peace to the backstabbing Morporkians. BOH won't answer me. I have no idea what is up with DR. I am very confused.

I opened the save and AM offered peace?????????????

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Hey I am still here, lurking.

I watch the excellent diplo stuff that keeps us involved and congratulate E_T. Skrob , Beta and others, for keeping us in the game.

I know it could still go belly up but you guys have danced very well.

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Herc said it all

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Just returned from my holiday. What's going on in Babylon?

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It ain't pretty BFM.

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E_T et al. I am still in Ottawa at my parents place. I'm looking after my Mom after surgery - and my Dad who is not capable of looking after himself. I will be here until next weekend, but I do get some on-line time to check on Babylon and move some pbem's along.

Great stuff last turn E_T.

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BFM - we are still trying to get the Tribes PBEM off the ground. Stop by there and let me know if you are in or not?

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Well unitl I get settled into some kind of routine, I won't be much help.

The new job starts next monday so hopefully things will settle down after that.

But with CIV4 right around the corner, Ill be honest, my drive to get involved in a "lets survive" CIV3 demo game will be minimal.

I am however prepared to continue lurking, and Ill continue to critize everyones performance, without doing anything myself of course

Beta would you expect anything less?

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quote:
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Um yes - it is called survival.



What do we do now poll

I just want to point out that the above poll called for "Revenge" over "Survival" by a vote of 4 to 2.

Now maybe we have to "survive" before we get "revenge" but I believe the feelings of the team at that time was to get revenge and go out in a blaze of glory.

Eeeking out an existance as an AM vassal is not what the team really wanted to do.

So unless we decide to get revenge on one or the other and pursue that agenda aggressively, I believe your interest will never be that high.

Im in the "revenge at all costs" camp.

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I'm doing as much as I can to get that to happen. But, yeah, Getting Good and glorious revenge (not sweet, but similar) does require surviving to do so.

Taking on an Army with 2 warriors and 1 Bowman and making it reteat, feels damn good, but IMHO, it's not good enough to qualify as the proper revenge that is required.

Although, it IS a damn good start....

To get the kind of Revenge that will leave you with the feeling that the dish of revenge has been properly served, we will need to survive for a while longer. Maybe even making peace with AM (which was my plan, when I made that offer).will get us to that point of Revenge, that will leave us with that warm glow.

If anything, it's almost a point of style. The Art of snatching "Defeat out of the Jaws of Victory" is not that easy and sometimes needs to look like doing one thing, while doing something else.

I'm reminded of a freind of mine, while in USAF, that told me of a D&D game he was playing, He and his Brother were in this one campain. They found someplace and started to investigate. Then they found a bunch of Zombies. His brother got taken by them and he goes to flee. He doesn't get far, as he trips a pitfall trap and breaks his leg. The Zombies are getting closer, he is going to die and he see's his brother at the head of the group. He decided to snatching Defeat out of the Jaws of Victory (he was the one who I had heard that from) by dousing himself with Oil and waits to light himself off, to take as many of them with him as possible.

The thing is, he could have lighted it as soon as possible, because he was dead, no matter what, but he waited (survived) until the point that would make the best effect. It turned out, that he had takenout more than 1/2 of them and had never had become a zombie, after his death.

So, yeah, there is a difference. Simple revenge just isn't good enough for what they have done. They desearve a much better style of revenge.

E_T

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We were to get our revenge by becoming AM's Vassal. Our revenge was to come with pushing BOH to war with AM through dis-information.

But it turned out that one of two things happened:
1 - AM was never serious about the treaty that they offered.
2 - AM and BOH were talking as I was feeding BOH disinformation.

My guess is #1. Because if #2 was correct I am sure that BOH would have publicized our planned backstab of AM and us trying to set up BOH.

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I'm a little behind the curve but I approve of proceeding, and if necessary, going out with style.

If the much bandied "crusade against BOH" gets off the ground, do we make any pretense at attacking BOH or simply look for the weakest back entrance through which to stab at AM?

I'm assuming that all agree that revenge on AM is a priority far ahead of preventing BOH from winning the game?


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Well, we currently ARE still at war with BoH. They did steal Fedalism from us and they are the major worry (atleast for this team) for this game.

If you know anything about Nazi Germany and their foreign Minister, Ribbentop, then you know what kind of style that their "diplomacy" has taken and will take. Needless to say, it's not pretty and can leave you with a really bad taste in your mouth, while watching it in action.

Their Roleplay, not only is designed to piss anyone off, but it's also set up to get as much information from people who post while extreemly pi$$ed off. Greated, it's not how I would want to conduct things (and it's now how we do things, thank Gawd), but it's rather distasteful. But then, what do you expect from a butch of knuckle dragging, brutish Warmongers.....

But, we do expect some form of attack from them, sometime. But we feel that their next target, currently, is either DR or AM. AM because of the disinformation that we had sent them. DR because they have a history of backstabing their alliance members (with hugely trumped up charges) and they ARE the biggest threat to them.

As a matter of fact, DR's GA is soon to be finished and I really think that BoH will attack them right around the time of that.

E_T

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Although, the peace offer DID state that PoA would be left intact, with all Improvements still there.

With them abandoning it, that has completely nulled and voided it. They wanted war, they will get it, for as long as they live.....

* E_T now knows that the AM leadership are total fools....

E_T

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I am however prepared to continue lurking, and Ill continue to critize everyones performance, without doing anything myself of course

Beta would you expect anything less?


No , not really. Cause you know ...

Con is lazy and he sucks.

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I am the only one that thinks we can keep survival going in this game? Cmon, let's have a team cheer: Give me a B an A a B a ylon, etc.

Seriously, I was reading the interview with LN saying that all the action is going to CivIV soon. To think that our beautiful wickedness should be ended by such a flawed child. E_T and Beta et al have been masterful in keeping this ship from sinking. Now we just need to work the edges and find our way back to power.

Just keep telling everybody that we aren't worth their attention. Just too small and too weak. Kill 'em while we are smiling!

Oh, and just don't pay any attenion to the MGL that BOH just got. An Ancient Cavalry Army won't cause us any concern will it? Ugh.

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