05-09-2005 10:43									#121
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The spanish and the austrians should kick the turks out of europe, and also remove the orthodox ecumenical patriarch and replace him with a catholic bishop.

	05-09-2005 12:16									#123
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG if we hadnt stopped the Persians in Marathon you would be speaking Iranian now....

WE may not be out of the woods yet!

	05-09-2005 12:37									#124
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So we would be speaking Iranian while the Iranians themsleves continued to speak Farsi!? That's just not fair to anybody.

	05-09-2005 13:27									#125
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander WE may not be out of the woods yet!

indeed, when we were building the parthenon you were jumping from tree to tree

	05-09-2005 13:28									#126
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quote: Originally posted by techumseh Oh yeah, and a lot of help you were in the War of 1812. We had to defeat the Americans all by ourselves.

we didnt have our own state at the time, and i dont remember asking for help

	05-09-2005 13:29									#127
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quote: Originally posted by Winston So we would be speaking Iranian while the Iranians themsleves continued to speak Farsi!? That's just not fair to anybody.

these how evil iranians are!

	05-09-2005 13:46									#128
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG indeed, when we were building the parthenon you were jumping from tree to tree

Jumping from tree to tree is the funnier thing to do

	05-09-2005 14:27									#129
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quote: Jumping from tree to tree is the funnier thing to do

Don't mind him, it's just the greeks inferiority complex before the true ancient cultures - like how the stole the canaanite/phoenician/Israel alphabet, for example.

	05-09-2005 14:57									#130
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG indeed, when we were building the parthenon you were jumping from tree to tree

I was keeping the world safe from the Sherriff of Nottingham and his men.

	05-09-2005 15:02									#131
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quote: Originally posted by Az if we remember the fact that greek cypriots rejected the peace treaty (and unification, damn Markos), I don't think that turkey is the problem.

	05-09-2005 15:03									#132
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse I've intensely disliked every Turk I've ever met. Also every Pole.

	05-09-2005 15:27									#133
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG quote: If anything, the requirements have been increased for Turkey. recognizing the existance of all the members of club you want to enter is a very, very low requirement....

Sandman and you are both right. Recognizing Cyprus is a low key requirement. However, it's not the only one, and Turkey faces more stringent requirements than the 10 new members and the 2 future members (Romania and Bulgaria).

That's mostly because the EU-leaders weren't really satisfied with the joining process of the 10+2, and changed the rules. Similar stringent rules can be found about white+catholic Croatia.

	05-09-2005 21:33									#134
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Og Paiktis I get a feeling that you do not approve of unification between Macedonia and Bulgaria even though you agree that most Macedonians are actually Bulgarians. You should not fear such a union. We are not going to come after Greece for what it did in the Balkan wars We are going to be in the EU soon and then there will be no borders between Bulgaria and Greece and it won't matter if Solun is in Bulgaria or Greece.

I wouldn't be opposed to Bulgaria getting Skopjie (=FYROM). Not at all!

	05-09-2005 22:00									#135
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Really though if you think about it. the skopjians are people suffering from identity crisis. even though they are bulgars they dont want to join bulgaria. when they got their independence the 1st thing they did was to write a constitution calling for attack against greece. they got the wood in the ass with the embargo and revoked those clauses. and revoked the sun of vergina.
now 50% plus of skpjia is albanians.


amazing balkans what a situation i still believe rigas feraios plan to unify all balkans under one single state would have been something worth trying.

	05-09-2005 22:15									#136
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we're going to be one world one day and then we'll head for the stars....

	05-09-2005 22:19									#137
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quote: Originally posted by techumseh Oh yeah, and a lot of help you were in the War of 1812. We had to defeat the Americans all by ourselves.

So the Brits played no part in that war?

	05-09-2005 23:30									#138
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BTW Sir Og, Vetty and Ancyrean, I have a book that details how history is teached in schools in all balkan countries (including Turkey). It is very interesting and funny. If Markos or Axi want to read it it's the: "Provlimata istoriographias sta sxolika egxeiridia ton balkanikon xoron ".


http://www.protoporia.gr/protoporia...4C6MD1NUJNJ7RN3

	05-09-2005 23:37									#139
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oh and because che is as always confused,
when i talk about macedonia i talk about the geographic region (most of it in greece today, the rest in skopjie/fyrom and a little bit in bulgaria) as it was before the balkan wars (so before it was divided between serbia and greece) and before the (total) collapse of the ottoman empire. that's when the komitazides (from bulgaria) were operating.
the populations were very mixed. greek villages next to bulgarian villages etc inside macedonia.

greece and serbia fought bulgaria for it. bulgaria attacked first but it was no secret that serbia and greece were planning to divide the territory after italy screwed up the plan to divide the territories for serbia.
before that the komitazides had bulgarians fighting against bulgarians and greeks fighting alongside bulgarians against bulgarians and turkey recognizing the autonomy of bulgarian church to dellite the autonomy movements. it was a big chaos


there's also an interesting race of two armies, the bulgarian and the greek to take over thessalonike with the latter getting there earlier. ww2 pales compared to the huge intrigues, complications plans, interferences etc in the balkans after ottomans were brought down.
only balkans now about that, others like che or molly just pop up to say whatever bull is on their mind

	05-09-2005 23:49									#140
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fear the greek secret weapon


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	05-09-2005 23:54									#141
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthy

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I have been wondering about that too. It is extremely interesting to know what is taught to students in the different countries.
Do you know if it is available in other languages (Bulgarian, Russian and English work for me)

	06-09-2005 00:10									#143
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Sir Og, yes it is very interesting indeed. I don't know if that book is translated. But you could ask in that address

sales@protoporia.gr


or here

http://www.books.gr/ContactUs.aspx

	06-09-2005 02:39									#144
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara So the Brits played no part in that war?

Well, the Greeks were NFU, I can tell you that!

	06-09-2005 16:00									#145
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BTW today Bulgaria celebrates 120 years since the Unification of Bulgaria and Eastern Rumelia in 1885.
After the Unification was proclaimed the Bulgarian army was waiting on the southern border anticipating a responce from Turkey but instead the Serbs decided that they can make an easy landgrab and attacked.
It would be very interesting to know what is being taught regarding this event in Serbia.

	06-09-2005 16:51									#146
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I wonder if this anti-Macedonian feeling among greeks is or was mutual. Our family had a Macedonian exchange student for a year about 10 years ago, and he hated Albanians, not Greeks.

BTW, he gave us a whole bunch of Macedonian stuff from before they dropped the star of Vergina from the flag or whatever, so I have all these old banners with the old flag lying around - I think it looks much better. The new one is too much like the Japanese naval ensign.

Better yet, whoever can figure out who is actually buried in Vergina wins the argument and gets the symbol.

	06-09-2005 16:55									#147
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Might an EU snub of Turkey cause a wave of Islamic nationalism in the country leading to collapse of democracy?

	06-09-2005 19:04									#148
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There were waves of Islamic nationalism in the past but the Turkish army always intervenes.

	06-09-2005 19:10									#149
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG indeed, when we were building the parthenon you were jumping from tree to tree

Because you live in the same geographical area you are connected how exactly

	06-09-2005 19:32									#150
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quote: Because you live in the same geographical area you are connected how exactly

how many sentences does your post contain? i'm a bit confused by your english