08-09-2005 20:06									#61
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i believe the open model of the game (xml data, python scripting) assures that there wont be big issues for modders between patches....

	08-09-2005 20:25									#62
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Woohoo! I think this is good news. We've known that the game has been playable for a long time now, so I think this indicates that the game is pretty much ready moreso than it indicates the game is being rushed out unfinished. Release dates are fairly arbitrary, so there's no reason to think the Nov. 14 date was set in stone and was somehow scientifically determined to be the optimal release date for the game.

It's a celebration, *****es!

	08-09-2005 20:51									#63
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG i tend to think it's just an accountant thing: "we're going to have some sales in november but we'll count them for october, ok?"

Yeah that's exactly what this is.

	08-09-2005 21:19									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Wise Ass Yeah that's exactly what this is.

Me thinks too.

	08-09-2005 21:40									#65
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG what was the last game you didnt patch?

I don't build games
I'm a serious programma

I'm quiet frequently releasing bug-free products.
Of course the bigger products are never bug-free though But that doesn't depend on the ammount of testing.

At one moment the product is finished to go 'live'.
Searching for more bugs would be a waste of time.
Some bugs can't be found through testing. There's a difference between testing and using an application.

	08-09-2005 21:42									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Aro But I'll not pay more than $80!!! I know, I'm desperate!

Aro, aren't you busy enough with C3C ISDG team? 'Cos if you aren't, I can aways give you some extra simming to do...

	08-09-2005 21:57									#67
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy I don't build games I'm a serious programma I'm quiet frequently releasing bug-free products. Of course the bigger products are never bug-free though But that doesn't depend on the ammount of testing. At one moment the product is finished to go 'live'. Searching for more bugs would be a waste of time. Some bugs can't be found through testing. There's a difference between testing and using an application.

Well clearly, you are not a very serious programmer.

If the product is ready for release, then there are no bugs, period.

There are likely many undocumented features, and there are going to be many issues fully attributable to user error, but there are never any "bugs".

	08-09-2005 21:58									#68
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quote: MarkG in addition to the in-house testers, aren't there something like 100 beta testers taken from the public including some members of the 'poly forums?

We Apolytoners are such a horrible bunch that I'm sure no one would want us .

	08-09-2005 22:11									#69
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Nah, those of us who post aswell at CFC are good.

	08-09-2005 22:33									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Kinjiru Well clearly, you are not a very serious programmer. If the product is ready for release, then there are no bugs, period. There are likely many undocumented features, and there are going to be many issues fully attributable to user error, but there are never any "bugs".

	08-09-2005 22:34									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Drakan Nah, those of us who post aswell at CFC are good.

Sure about that

You are only good because your admins are too restrictive of what you post...

	08-09-2005 23:04									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Krill Aro, aren't you busy enough with C3C ISDG team? 'Cos if you aren't, I can aways give you some extra simming to do...

No, thanks!

Btw, I'm counting on at least 2 weeks of delay here in Brazil.

	08-09-2005 23:48									#73
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Haven't we been educated for years and years (especially by Firaxis PR) that it is the publisher, not the developer that determines ship date? And that they have no protections or control? That they cannot slide back dates because it cost the publisher too much in ads and such, but the publisher can move the date to better suit their financial needs? Why, I do believe so.

Now, if the date is just being moved up a few weeks, that isn't going to have a significant effect on the production cIV. They have been telling us that it has been in MP alpha and beta testing for forever (well, over a year). All it means is that they AI will cheat outrageously in SP, but that it will still suck. SP wasn't going to be much better just because some part of the cIV team had a whole 2 more weeks to tune it, after all.

So, at most, it's just one more patch. Considering the mad modders around here, that isn't going to matter in the long run, is it?

	08-09-2005 23:52									#74
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however much it dosnt matter,its still the principle of realising a crappy(patch-wise) game and charging money then fixing it with patches. or even worse,some compainies just do 2-3 patches and release the xpak aka finnaly 20% of game. RTW anyone?

	09-09-2005 00:28									#75
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damn, I probably need to get a new computer

	09-09-2005 02:44									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Kinjiru Well clearly, you are not a very serious programmer. If the product is ready for release, then there are no bugs, period. There are likely many undocumented features, and there are going to be many issues fully attributable to user error, but there are never any "bugs".

Of course there are bugs. But those bugs are the result of the customer who didn't clarify brightly what he needed

	09-09-2005 22:41									#77
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG what was the last game you didnt patch?

OMG

	10-09-2005 00:44									#78
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Saw this on another forum:

	10-09-2005 01:25									#81
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quote:

	10-09-2005 02:47									#82
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Edan! Excellent!

	10-09-2005 12:31									#84
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provo !!

	10-09-2005 20:23									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Edan Saw this on another forum:

Brilliant.

	10-09-2005 23:30									#88
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Love the Advisor bit

As pretty as the latest screenshots look from the other threads, there just seems so much "unfinished" with so little time left... Either they are brilliant at hiding the details from us, or... well... "I have a baaaad feeling about this!"

	11-09-2005 00:02									#89
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When you guys go on a date with a pretty girl, do you tell her that you would want to get her in the sack but likely it's just too stinky so just forget it?

Let's see what's in the box before we cry foul.

	11-09-2005 01:04									#90
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I am happy that I shall get the game sooner. I think that take two is professional enough to realize that releasing a completely bugged game won't help their profits nor reputation.

Thought now that we are so close to release do I hope that we shall get an informative site and more info about civ4

Last edited by kolpo on 11-09-2005 at 02:42