14-08-2001 02:05									#1
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Let's start from the beginning and analyse the entire thing. What do each and every one of the Icons mean? Are the connections between techs logical?

	14-08-2001 02:07									#2
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hey scumbag. are you getting stuff we're not?!?!?

	14-08-2001 02:10									#3
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Listing what i see


(modern)
there appears to be a unit under computers. looks like a mech inf.

i dont see a howie under robotics. looks like a ships there.

Fission seems to yield a nuclear sub.

no ship for steel? have to wait for combustion.

Ecology has nothing???

(industrial)
mass production yields 3 ships... no buildings...

replacable parts??? please not a howie...

medicine has nothing???

Industrialization yields 3 buildings.

Espiogane... looks like a building... units are on WHITE BG... no spy?

Advanced flight, chopper and paratrooper? NO BOMBER?

ah, bombers in normal flight...

Radio yields a building... looks odd.

(Middle)
Chilvary yeilds an unmounted unit? (is that a samuari? are they chinese?) (i know samurari arent chinese dammit.)

invention makes a unit now?

Magnetism makes 3 boats.

pikemen are still in (you heathens!) on a direct path to musketeers

education tech? a school?

Democracy... no wonder... no statue of liberty?

Navigation... Explorer unit... no Caravel?

stupid Arts techs

(ancient)
monarchy needed for palace?

mapmaking lets you have 2 buildings? ones lighthouse...

i still dont know what that thing on constructions tab is (rook icon) i saw it on the game map.

laterz!

Last edited by Inverse Icarus on 14-08-2001 at 02:23

	14-08-2001 02:18									#4
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As you can see on the middle-age screen, both Invention and Gunpowder are marked green, and numbered 1 and 2. I take it you can actually set up a a research path to final tech, allowing the computer to automatically research whatever pre-requisite techs necessary to get there. Nice and smooth.

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I see some thins in the modern age that make me think of things that could be in the game.

1- Satellites - How will this work, does it just give you some city improvement or do you get to control satellites in space?!?!

2- Integrated Defense - I honestly have no idea.

3- Smart weapons - Some kind of AI controlled unit, or perhaps a unit that triggers automaticly when something happens, maybe a unit that is completly computer driven?

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There is a lot more monder techs I think.

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	14-08-2001 03:14									#7
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quote: 2- Integrated Defense - I honestly have no idea.

It appears as if that is where you will learn the technology to build the SDI Defence.

I really don't have any fits with the tech tree, in fact I like it.

	14-08-2001 03:16									#8
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quote: Wille 1- Satellites - How will this work, does it just give you some city improvement or do you get to control satellites in space?!?!

I remember reading somewhere that satellites will be similar to what we had in SMAC. I'm not sure about it though.

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This is strange, two techs are green in the middle ages tree. Since we came to the conclusion of green meaning what you are researching, blue meaning what you have researched, gray what you haven't researched, and yellow what you can research this leads me to ask this question. Does this mean that we can now research two things at once?

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Eli you read that on a recent post from a Firaxian, I think.

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If you look closely you can see on some of the advances that it says an amount of turns. I noticed this on the brown and green coloured ones, this probably tells you how many turn it takes to research the advance.

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Gone (17)

Automobile
Bridge Building
Combined Arms
Conscription
Explosives
Fundamentalism
Fusion Power
Guerilla Warfare
Labor Union
Leadership
Machine Tools
Plastics
Railroad
Refrigeration
Seafaring
Tactics
Trade

Renamed (7)

Environmentalism -> Ecology
Genetic Engineering -> Genetics
Mobile Warfare -> Motored Transportation
Literacy -> Literature
Nuclear Fission -> Fission
Steam Engine -> Steam Power
University -> Education

New (11)

Free Artistry
Integrated Defense
Military Tradition
Music Theory
Nationalism
Printing Press
Replaceable Parts
Satellites
Scientific Method
Smart Weapons
Synthetic Fibers

Sadly still missing (top 8)

Canal Building
Colonialism
Hydraulics
Logistics
The Mill
The Plough
Psychology
Tourism

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	14-08-2001 03:48									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Wille 3- Smart weapons - Some kind of AI controlled unit, or perhaps a unit that triggers automaticly when something happens, maybe a unit that is completly computer driven?

I think it makes your missiles more accurate, that will say there hit power will increase.

	14-08-2001 03:49									#14
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Folks, check out Space Flight. There is the Apollo Program, but there are three other Wonders as well. You can see little spheres like planets. One "planet" is red. Could it be that Firaxis added more Wonders for the colonization of Mars etc like we talked about here? Perhaps, they separated the Apollo Program and the Alpha Centauri mission into 2 separate Wonders? Or are they one of the spaceship modules? What do you guys think?

I also confirm in the Middle Ages screen that you can set up a "build queue" for research. That is great!

	14-08-2001 03:50									#15
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quote: Originally posted by TechWins This is strange, two techs are green in the middle ages tree. Since we came to the conclusion of green meaning what you are researching, blue meaning what you have researched, gray what you haven't researched, and yellow what you can research this leads me to ask this question. Does this mean that we can now research two things at once?

Techwins, please read my post. And you complain on others not reading all the posts?

	14-08-2001 03:50									#16
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Well,it all looks fairly familiar.Some new stuff and some changes to existing stuff.Early government looks interesting.
I see Warrior Code,Burial,Mysticism and Polytheism as the pre reqs for Monarchy and Alpha,Writing and Laws as the pre reqs for Republic.
Feudalism is needed for Invention and Physics is now needed for Gravity

Industrial age looks very similiar but I don't know what Nationalism does.Amphibious Warfare looks like it will be as useful(not much) as it is in Civ2.Maybe even less.

Is Wheel before Horseback Riding?

Will you have to do every tech in each period before you can "move" on?

I got a feeling this ain't final.

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quote: Originally posted by TechWins This is strange, two techs are green in the middle ages tree. Since we came to the conclusion of green meaning what you are researching, blue meaning what you have researched, gray what you haven't researched, and yellow what you can research this leads me to ask this question. Does this mean that we can now research two things at once?

its a research queue. they are both green because one is being researched after the other.

	14-08-2001 03:52									#18
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Under Motored Transportation there appears to be a tank then under a more advanced tech (Computers) there appears to be another tank. This means that there are two tanks in the game, one old and one new.

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i think under computers is a mech inf...

too lazy to read my big post?

	14-08-2001 04:01									#20
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Has anybody noticed that, while all units seem to be on white background and buildings and most wonders on green, on the most modern technologies of Space Flight, Synthetic Fibers, Superconductor, Satellites and The Laser there are in all ten similar-looking objects on blue background... I am wondering whether these could be space improvements and spaceship parts or something of the sort? The look of the tiny graphics would suggest that as well.

	14-08-2001 04:01									#21
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Actually I did read your post Uber, I guess I just missed the first line of something. Sorry.

quote: its a research queue. they are both green because one is being researched after the other.

I was referring to the comment Eli made about satellites. Were you to lazy to read that post?

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Whatever.

	14-08-2001 04:15									#23
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If Ribannah's math is correct (I trust it - I don't have that many fingers) there are 6 less techs than in Civ2. Aren't there supposed to be more in III than II?

Unless, of course, this is an incomplete listing of the tech tree.

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i think we're all missing a key factor here...

HOW DID SNAPCASE RECIEVE THE PICTURES?

the answer?

oh ho ho.

HE HAS A BETA.

	14-08-2001 04:18									#25
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Seems the whole game is leaning towards the "quality instead of quantity" concept.

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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX i think we're all missing a key factor here... HOW DID SNAPCASE RECIEVE THE PICTURES? the answer? oh ho ho. HE HAS A BETA.

Actually, he found them on Gamespot, although I wish you were correct.

	14-08-2001 04:24									#27
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Yeah, but I remember that it was mentioned that there is going to be a bigger tech tree in Civ3... or did I dream that?

Oh and it looks like there are only 5 gov'ts, Fundy gone... unless Nationalism is a Gov't, but I though it had been decided that it is just a tech.

Yikes, I am sounding like a whiner!

	14-08-2001 04:27									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Warm Beer If Ribannah's math is correct (I trust it - I don't have that many fingers) there are 6 less techs than in Civ2. Aren't there supposed to be more in III than II? Unless, of course, this is an incomplete listing of the tech tree.

It looks suspiciously complete. As I understand it, no links are shown between different eras because you need full knowledge of one era to begin with the next one.

By the way, with 10 fingers it's easy enough to count to 1023.

	14-08-2001 04:45									#29
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Nationalism is a government taking the place of Fundamentalism.
And I know these shots are not necessarily from an actual game, Republic has not yet been discovered from the Ancient tech tree, but the Middle Age tech tree has already begun being researched.

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Double post