16-05-2002 00:14									#31
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That's OK. I remember you mentioned them in Land Ahoy, now...

	16-05-2002 01:53									#32
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OK, I've put the texts zip on another website and redirected the link on mine to point to the new copy. Anyone who was having trouble should now be able to get the working version. Please tell me of any other problems you encounter.

	16-05-2002 02:24									#33
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Thanks J... I'll try downloading that one... the one you sent me didn't work either...

	16-05-2002 15:13									#34
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Argh!! This sounds like it might be a more fundamental problem. If that one doesn't work either then I have another plan...

	16-05-2002 18:25									#35
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Well... the one I downloaded from your site (the new one) worked great!

I didn't really understand how to install it other than by dropping it in the scenario folder... but it does work.

Though the city grew messages didn't really work that well... didn't properly put in the city name and city size after the alert.

I like the militia idea though, that way you're garunteed some defense from barbarians. Is Mars supposed to look all forested and stuff like Earth though or did I do something wrong in the set-up?

	16-05-2002 19:28									#36
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If you've just dropped it in the scenario folder then you won't be using the correct Const.txt and you won't get the Great Library. See the readme for details on what you have to do... If you can't follow the instructions get back to me.

The city size messages: do you mean that they say like [city.name] or something? In that case you should set DebugSlic=Yes in userprofile.txt. (It says this in the readme too...)

There's no barbarians on Mars! AI players crash the game, and barbarians are no exception. Even a lone mob will cause a crash. I really wish I knew why.

The terrain: Yes, see the first page of this thread - I'm working on this (slowly... it's not easy to change the terrain appearance). It may look the same but the values are different.

Tell me if any/all of that helps, and then is your offer of a PBEM game still open?

	16-05-2002 19:37									#37
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And this is why I'm a Mac user

The readme is great in PC-speak but doesn't do much for me in the ways of manipulating my Mac.

Though once I understand what's going on I can write an Applescript that will do everything your .bat files do... I just need to understand what it is your .bat files actually do first.

And I'm certainly interested in a PBEM game after I figure out what's going on.

	16-05-2002 19:39									#38
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This afternoon I'll try looking at your .bat files with a text editor and try to figure it all out...

	16-05-2002 19:58									#39
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I don't know how macs work, but I can give a summary explanation of the batch file:

Copy constma.txt and gamefile.txt from ...\Mars\default\gamedata to ...\ctp_data\default\gamedata

Copy everything from ...\Mars\english\gamedata\gl to ...\ctp_data\english\gamedata\gl (That's nearly 2000 files, so it'll take a while)

If you want the screenmod then copy everything from Mars\english\uidata and also Mars\default\graphics\patterns into their respective ...\ctp_data\... directories.

I think that's it. When you want to switch between Mars & normal games you need only to edit gamefiloe.txt and change the line const.txt to constma.txt or vice versa. Don't worry about the effect this has on PBEM, since the contents of const.txt is carried along with the save game, so you don't have to change it just to load a PBEM turn.

	16-05-2002 20:07									#40
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okay... do some of these overwrite any of the original files? One thing I had tried to do is just name my Mars folder ctp_data but that didn't work because I was seemingly missing quite a few files.

I'll try all of that when I get home though.

And if you want to go ahead and start a PBEM game I'm certainly game... if the const.txt rides with the game save then all I'll really need to do is drop all of those other files in their respective directories and not worry too much about editing gameiloe.txt unless I want to start a Mars game myself, right?

	16-05-2002 20:15									#41
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That's correct. In that case you can skip the first step and just copy the GL files (and screenmod if you wish - but that's purely cosmetic). Without the GL you'll never figure out what's going on , so it's fairly important. The GL files won't overwrite anything, but the screenmod ones will (originals are in Mars\english\uidata\layouts\orig 1.2). I'll fire up a PBEM game.

	16-05-2002 20:23									#42
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What civ/leader name would you like?

	16-05-2002 20:52									#43
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If the screenmod ones are purely cosmetic then I'll skip overwriting anything by putting them in and just go with the GL files into the right place... I like knowing what's going on (though I don't always anyway)

How about Native Americans: Firestarter.

What other settings are we going for?

	16-05-2002 21:04									#44
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I was planning for warm/dry/sparse goods/uniform to look marginally like Mars, but then slightly towards ocean/island because I think that makes a better game even though it's un-Marslike. Earthworld becuase donut confuses me and Huge because I want us to have a chance to reach fairly far down the tech tree, but I do want us to meet at some point. Pollution on and Bloodlust off because thats 'normal'. Any objections?

	16-05-2002 21:10									#45
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sounds good to me! Too bad can't have only natural resources like minerals... It'll seem strange to find beavers on Mars.

I guess in this scenario it'd be after the atmospheric terraforming and ice cap melting has taken place, huh?

I'll look forward to seeing the turn!

	16-05-2002 21:16									#46
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Indeed. Don't tell me you didn't read the backplot. All that careful composition wasted !

	16-05-2002 21:43									#47
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D'oh!

The problem is... the one text reader for Mac can't open that big of a readme file... I have to do it in Word and then the formatting gets screwed if I try to change the font so it's readable.

I'll look it over though, didn't know there was one.

	16-05-2002 21:46									#48
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Is Word on Macs made by MS?

	16-05-2002 21:52									#49
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Yep! Evil incarnate even has penetrated Macintosh.

	16-05-2002 21:55									#50
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I'm surprised by that. though. Even notepad will open the readme on a PC, although you can't edit it.

The backplot is not very wonderful really, just a few lines to excuse some of the most blatant contradictions like the terrain, goods, the lack of Earth-intervention and so forth.

	16-05-2002 21:55									#51
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ah...

	16-05-2002 22:02									#52
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You gave me an idea - I've edited the backplot into the first post on this thread (you can read it there). It should have been there all along.

	16-05-2002 22:04									#53
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*nods* Okay...

Yeah, but Macs rarely ever use .txt files so there's no major need for a good reader/editor.

	17-05-2002 00:12									#54
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It's not working... it's saying that I'm missing a bunch of help files or something like that.

"_HELP missing."

And then it goes through all the units...

	17-05-2002 01:40									#55
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That happens when you try to start the PBEM game? Hmm... Let me fiddle around - I'll see what I can discover.

	17-05-2002 01:53									#56
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OK, I'd totally forgotten about this - sorry. When playing PBEM games with scenarios you can't simply doubleclick to open. It's a little more awkward. Create a new directory for the purposes of this game in ...\ctp_program\ctp\save\games\, called something like MarsPBEM, or whatever. Make this directory easy to get to (On a PC I'd create a shortcut on my desktop - I don't know what the Mac equivalent is).

Now each time you recieve a turn copy the save game into this directory, start up CTP and load it as if it were an ordinary single player game. This works fine for me.

Good luck.

	17-05-2002 18:31									#57
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many thanks... I'll try that and see if it works.

	17-05-2002 18:35									#58
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still didn't work... and my settlers have turned into slavers...

	17-05-2002 18:38									#59
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OK, that means it's using the wrong version of units.txt.

Does the v1.21 hack work on Macs, and have you installed it - these symptoms suggest that you haven't.

	17-05-2002 18:46									#60
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No I haven't because the 1.21 hack is an .exe which means I can't even open it.