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La Fayette
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albi, france
Oct 2000
time: 06:12
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AFAIK no one has managed to win that ww2 scenario as neutral leader yet.
My starting idea was about the same as SilverDragon's and DrFell's (airlift between Tehran and Stockholm, then forwarding freights, preferably to England (for island bonus)).
It failed (several tries; not even ONE freight delivered in England).
So I decided to choose the long way: building a fresh new civ around Tehran, far from the harsh guns of the Axis. I lost Belgrade in 1942, as expected, but managed to keep Stockholm with help of a SAM which proved to be very wary and efficient (the Allies had given me rocketry just in time).
The Russians did not like my idea and I built my small civ under permanent threat of their guns and spies. Hence it took me 23 years to build a tiny '6 cities civ' able to strike its weakest neighbor (namely the French in Damascus).
It is june 1963 and my first 4 howies should take Damascus very very soon.
From previous experience with the Spaniards and the French, I suppose that the worst is now behind me. Inch Allah!
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aux bords mystérieux du monde occidental
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DrFell
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Stockholm is relatively safe from the axis; they have few forces up there. Thus keep all your freight up in Stockholm. IMO Tehran is in more danger, if you end up at war with either Russians or Allies it'll be hell to defend. After Belgrade is taken your likely to get a ceasefire offer from the Axis, obviously you gotta take it at all costs, including tribute payment. Then send over the freight. After that it gets much easier. Currently I now have UK secure, and I am preparing for the attack on the Axis. It's 1955 and the main problem is actually building enough units, corruption in England is a major problem too. The Allies are destroyed, the USA and Middle East has fallen into the hands of the evil Japanese empire (not the Zulus as it turns out) so hopefully if I take Berlin the Axis will split in two. Now I just need enough vet howies for a successful attack, luckily Axis are preoccupied with Russia at the moment (and they're winning). I'm definitely not going to do this in record time, but its a bit of fun 
Edit: Actually the best way to get cease fire with the Axis is to beg for tech off the Allies, contact the Axis and hope they haven't got the tech you just got. This can buy you cease fire for a while, if your lucky.
[This message has been edited by DrFell (edited May 14, 2001).]
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La Fayette
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albi, france
Oct 2000
time: 06:12
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quote:
Originally posted by EOL on 05-14-2001 03:34 PM
Taking up the Neutral's challenge.
After the axis took Amsterdam on turn 1 they offered a cease-fire and then peace. I was able to ally with all the other civs then. The Axis sneak attacked to take Belgrade a few turns later. The entire world declared war on the Axis and the gifts started to roll in. This was the end of the German challenge for me as they threw units at the Russians and left Stockholm alone.
EOL
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It is clear that the Neutrals are so weak that lucky results in the field of diplomacy are key to a good start. Ally with all against the Axis is probably the best one can get , and you managed to get it. Congratulations!
Tiny Hall of Fame:
Neutral: EOL, oct 1960
French: La Fayette, april 1961
Spaniards: La Fayette, Aug 1961
Turks: ...?, ...?
(it seems that DrFell is bound to win with Neutrals in 1963, and I should manage it around 1975; 'it's a long way to Tiperary...'; therefore I suppose I stop where I am, nice place in front of Istambul,(my mother lived there when she was a young girl), and switch to the Turks).
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EOL
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Oxford
Dec 2000
time: 05:12
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I think the Turks may be a big challenge. Stuck between the Axis and the Russians I can't see peace lasting for very long, perhaps a new mountain/hill city will be needed.
EOL
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SandMonkey
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Although I never finished a game, I have played as the Turks several times.
It's not too hard, really. If you can stay out of war with the russians for at least 10-20 turns, you can build rails to connect your civ and yourself to the axis, and then I send freights into the heart of Germany. With some trade flowing and cities growing, I build tanks and howies and attack the two French cities down there (can't remember the names, it's been some time). By now the Russians have usually declared war, but it's easiest to just let them waste units on Istanbul (coastal fortress) and whichever city is in the east closest to the Russians (walls + SAM). From here it's your choice. Taking the French And Spanish cities of Northern Africa gives you a nice launching pad for an invasion of Spain, and a MUCH larger empire. This has always been my way at it, but I'm sure there are some MUCH more effective ways of doing this.
I might try this again tonight  After my homework, of course... 
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La Fayette
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albi, france
Oct 2000
time: 06:12
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SG
Thank you for your helping hand, but I think it is not needed.
I suppose that Mr Bourjade is a very young man, probably not much older than 15. He probably forgot that 'le calembour est la fiente de l'esprit' and meant it as a joke. I hope that he will have enough brains to try and improve his level in english and other useful knowledge, instead of sending us new pieces of dubious humour.
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Dr.Oogkloot
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And all of this is on Deity??
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La Fayette
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albi, france
Oct 2000
time: 06:12
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quote:
Originally posted by FireDragon
La Fayette, could you give me some tips as the turks? I'm getting hammered!!!     |
No great surprise! I found this one the most difficult of all.
Anyway, the problem #1 is to stay alive during the first years.
I chose trying to ally with my most dangerous neighbours, namely the Allies and the Russians. Having neither knowledge nor money to offer, I offered my poor non vet units.
The Allies laughed at me but accepted the Alliance. The Russians accepted one rifleman and denied to ally, but they accepted a few turns later. This provided peace with the 'big three' during almost ten years. A few problems with the French and the Neutrals (mostly after I took Beirut and Damascus from the French) but nothing to worry about.
Problem #2 is to avoid to get impatient and attack the Axis too soon (since the Turks are weaker than both the French and the Spaniards and it takes quite a long time to grow to some kind of reasonable strength).
Then I noticed that the Axis was mostly strong on defence (about 10 units/city) and I decided to have a try with a small army (about 10 howies on the average) and it worked.
Many problems later on (nukes, oh my god, coordinated sneak attacks, coordinated bomber attacks against my engineers, etc...).
But, as you know, one feels better after having beaten one of the big 3.
Summing up, I am far from sure that my early game was optimal, but it worked. I am happy with my conquest of the Axis empire (which shows that new fighting methods can be imagined even after playing many games). I am very unhappy with what happened later on, but it was fun, since it brought some kind of suspense in the late game.
I'm with you, SD. Be a nice boy to start with. Then get real nasty when you feel strong enough
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Jaguar
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Montgomery County, MD
Apr 2000
time: 00:12
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December '61 with the turks. This was on my fourth try. The first two tries were embarrassing. The third was April '64. This one was good because I had eliminated the French without going to war with anyone else. I got an embassy, switched to commie, and waited until they had no alliances, particularly not one with the Allies, and then attacked Beirut and Tangiers. They were allied with the neutruals, but who gives? The African cities went down without a fight, and then I attacked the french mainland, starting with vichy. Marseilles was hard, because it was walled. After I destroyed the french, I went for the spanish, who were extremely antisocial to everybody. Almost none of their cities were walled. Meanwhile, Turkey stopped building armors, and started building freights. I did the infamous "Airport trick" to England, and within a few turns, I was rolling in dough and the science bonuses alone got me robotics. The Axis never knew what hit them. Halfway through conquering Germany, I got sneak attacked in the middle east by the Allies. So much for them.  . I scooped up all the little cities in africa and the middle east with the turkish army, and then did the big attack on russia. Last city conquered in December 1961.
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14-05-2001 18:13
). Used some sabotage and taking of cities to stop it being built 
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) Then I systematically took russia from the north down. Meanwhile, I bought a huge number of tanks and howies in Tehran and some other little cities in the middle east. The russians had many of their southern cities defended with only one rifleman, because the units were all idiotically murdering themselves against my impregnable cities. 
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