11-10-2001 19:42									#91
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Used to play Romans all the time. Not intend to change it... OK. maybe try others, since now it changes sth.

	11-10-2001 22:37									#92
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon How can so many people like the French?

They like the French combination of Civ spesific abilites. Funny thing is they don't know what the special unit will be yet. If it turns out to be some type of mounted unit then the French could be really powerful. Right now my vote goes for the Persians because I really like the sound of getting bonuses in both science and industry plus there special unit should allow me to conquer several cities in the begining.

	12-10-2001 00:07									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin They like the French combination of Civ spesific abilites. Funny thing is they don't know what the special unit will be yet. If it turns out to be some type of mounted unit then the French could be really powerful.

French Special Unit: Musketeer 3.4.1

Check out this thread:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=23868

	12-10-2001 01:32									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Hopefully this will not lead to a precipitous decline in the use of body soaps

Les Français utilisent le savon plus que les personnes de New York, Boris! Pu!

quote: and an increase in unfortunate incidents of smelly cheeses,

Vous n'aimez pas les fromages français?! Quel domage! C'est une tragédie; ils sont délicieux!

quote: language snobbery

Je refuse de parler anglais, la langue des barbares!

quote: and running away from fights!

Vous ne connaissez pas Napoléon Bonaparte? Les Français ont combattu dans la Deuxième Guerre Mondiale et les Nazis n'ont pas touché les Etats-Unis! Vous ne te souvenez pas la Résistance? Le gouvernment de Vichy? Vous avez vraiment besoin d'étudier l'histoire!

	12-10-2001 02:05									#95
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quote: Originally posted by JellyDonut Les Français utilisent le savon plus que les personnes de New York, Boris! Pu! Vous n'aimez pas les fromages français?! Quel domage! C'est une tragédie; ils sont délicieux! Je refuse de parler anglais, la langue des barbares! Vous ne connaissez pas Napoléon Bonaparte? Les Français ont combattu dans la Deuxième Guerre Mondiale et les Nazis n'ont pas touché les Etats-Unis! Vous ne te souvenez pas la Résistance? Le gouvernment de Vichy? Vous avez vraiment besoin d'étudier l'histoire!

-Fetchez la vache!

-Quoi?

-Fetchez la vache!

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-Allons-ils!

-Quoi?

-Allons-ils!

-Quoi?

-Let's go!

-Ah!!

	12-10-2001 02:20									#96
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Vikings.

http://www.civfanatics.com/cgi-bin/...civ_vikings.jpg

What part of this don't you get?

	12-10-2001 02:50									#97
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Russians. Possess a vast land area, excellent attributes.

	12-10-2001 02:52									#98
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quote: Vikings.

Woohooo, I'm not the only one!

Care to explain that picture? I see there's images ffrom civ2 there, what's it for?

I found the same for the Mongols as well:
http://www.civfanatics.com/cgi-bin/...civ_mongols.jpg

	12-10-2001 02:56									#99
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And why are screenshots showing Vikings and Mongols a suprise to ANYONE?!?!?!

	12-10-2001 03:15									#100
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What are you trying to say?

	12-10-2001 03:25									#101
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Gangerolf, the same thing I've been trying to say for months. Any debates on included/not included civs purely from an inclusion/exclusion point of view is a complete waste of time. Debating such things from a historical perspective is fun, as many here does well, but to whine that the Vikings or Mongols should be there misses the point, imo. Just wait a few days after release and you can play your first game as them or any of the other dozens of custom civs. That's why I didn't vote because he forgot to put the Irish on the list.

	12-10-2001 03:40									#102
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quote: to whine that the Vikings or Mongols should be there misses the point, imo. Just wait a few days after release and you can play your first game as them or any of the other dozens of custom civs.

I totally agree I plan on making some civs myself (the Vikings, anyway).

But what are those images? Are they screenshots from civ3? Nah, that would be weird, because the leader portraits and the cities in them are from Civ2. And some of those cities look kinda alien

	12-10-2001 03:46									#103
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...and Romans take a commanding lead!

	12-10-2001 19:44									#104
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Three votes is a commanding lead?

	12-10-2001 21:07									#105
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3 votes IS a commanding lead

	12-10-2001 22:36									#106
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The Persians seem like a really cool civ. I really like their attributes, but what I enjoy most about Civ games is taking an ancient civilization and bringing them into the modern world in a bold new way. I will probably try the Egyptians next. A combination of Industrious and religious might lead to an amazing modern culture.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot to mention how cool schimitars and chariots are. Imagine a modern Marine commercial, except instead of a long sword, the one of a few good men holds up an enormous sabre. That would be awesome.

	12-10-2001 23:30									#107
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My choice will be the Russians because of the UU. But I am not sure, The french are also quite interesting with their abilities, but I don't like the color.

	14-10-2001 09:28									#108
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Definitely the Chinese. Not because of any particular respect for Mao, but simply because I really like Chinese culture.

Either that, or I'll customize one. Go Austro-Hungarian Empire! Francis Ferdinand Forever! (or until he gets shot )

	14-10-2001 11:53									#109
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Holy shit! How did the Romans get so many votes?! Vote for the French everybody! They are commercial and industrious, the two best CSAs because they give you bonuses for every city and last the whole game! Plus your workers work harder, getting tile improvements and even more bonuses quicker! Plus they have a cool UU (the Musketeer), which doesn't come so early you never get to mass-produce them or so late that the game is already over or soon to be over before you can maximize the UU potential. Not to mention the French are just plain cool

Vote for the French! Votez pour les Français!

	14-10-2001 11:59									#110
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I wish I would've voted for the Japanese now. Poor little guys. Sumimasen!

	14-10-2001 17:48									#111
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Here's why I'm going Greek:

1. Their special unit Hoplite (1-3-1) rocks. As a defensive player, I love it to just stick a highly effiecient, cheap defender into every city from the start and not have to bother about it for the next 2-3 millenna.

2. I'm a science geek and I need to feel scientific superiority over my enemies, rather than strength through numbers. Commercial ability is ok, though I admit I'm not too thrilled about it.

3. I like to have philosophically inclined civilization. My own name will most likely stem once more from a Greek philosopher.

4. Greek city names are legible (as opposed to Japanese or Atztec ones).

5. Greek palaces are a pretty sight.

6. With the Greek, I have a feeling that I really build up a civilization from ancient times without feeling odd about it. I can see the Greek researching the alphabet (something I can't with the Americans) as well as nuclear power (something I cannot with the Iroques).

I do rate strategic points higher than cultural ones, but they blend in nicely here.

	14-10-2001 21:07									#112
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quote: Originally posted by joer Here's why I'm going Greek:

You forgot the best reasons: Greek salads and Spinach Pie!

And Baklava, too!

	14-10-2001 21:08									#113
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As I said, if you want to go peaceful (at least... up to a certain point) Greeks are the numero uno... and the 11 votes state that many people feel like it.

Go Greek!

	14-10-2001 21:14									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Ubik As I said, if you want to go peaceful (at least... up to a certain point) Greeks are the numero uno... and the 11 votes state that many people feel like it. Go Greek!

Um...wouldn't go that far...

BUT I am leveling the first accusations here of ballot-stuffing. There are shennanigans going on! Someone is cheating for the Romans!

It has to be!

	19-10-2001 00:24									#115
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I'm gonna be Aztec in a fairly large world. I'm also gonna try a strategy that would spell death in civ II. I'm just gonna have one city. Thats right, unless I get one from a goody hut or I am forced to conquer a neighboring civ, I'm just going to let my capital grow huge, and put any excess population into workers and colonies. I expect that w/o losing popultion to building new cities, I can get a large city with lots of cultural buildings in it. When you get a radius of three or four your single city actually covers a lot of ground! Pretty mcuh what the aztecs basically did; there center was Tenochtitlan and they just pretty much had other tribes bring em tribute (analagous to big cultural radius + colonies).
Btw, where do you get all those other smilies? The ones with guns and stuff?

	19-10-2001 00:47									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Stuie French Special Unit: Musketeer 3.4.1 Check out this thread: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=23868

That UU hasn't been confermed by Fraxis so it's nothing more then an educated guess. After all fraxis has changed UUs before.

	19-10-2001 01:17									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Pseud0nym I'm also gonna try a strategy that would spell death in civ II. I'm just gonna have one city. Thats right, unless I get one from a goody hut or I am forced to conquer a neighboring civ, I'm just going to let my capital grow huge, and put any excess population into workers and colonies. I expect that w/o losing popultion to building new cities, I can get a large city with lots of cultural buildings in it. When you get a radius of three or four your single city actually covers a lot of ground!

Um, having only one city has already been done already on Deity in Civ2.

It's a strat known that's known as OCC and has been frequently talked about. And it also has the additional rule that cities from goody huts are not allowed.

	19-10-2001 01:30									#118
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quote: When you get a radius of three or four your single city actually covers a lot of ground!

Unfortunately, city radii are the same as civ 2. It's borders which can grow to three or four squares away from the city.

	19-10-2001 09:02									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman Unfortunately, city radii are the same as civ 2. It's borders which can grow to three or four squares away from the city.

No, I think its city radii which grow. Also, somebody mentioned OCC... I never knew it was a used stratergy... I just PLAYED civ 2, never visited any forums on it. So what does OCC stand for, and how did it work in civ 2? My gut feeling is it wouldn't have worked very well, but then I never tried it.

	19-10-2001 20:23									#120
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This is an easy question....the Americans of course. They are the uber civilization today....what will happen when they have an extra 3 or 4 thousand years to work with??? They will dominate the globe!