25-10-2001 07:43									#1
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being banned for a week i lost the thread where i thought of this idea, but anyway here it is.

that concept of forced labor rumored around here by lurking firaxins seems remarkably smilar to my concept of "Death Camps", proposed a while back.

basically i wanted to be able to take over a babylonian city, you know the size 20 ones, full of buildings, that those peaceful builders love to build up. basically i would take it, sell all the structures, and burn the city to the ground, going genocidal on the inhabitants. this would combat the whole "assimilating the babylonian loyals", that whole nationality thing, i would just kill them all and move on.

BUT IT GETS BETTER.

i can force labor on them so they dont eat or sleep. they'll get real mad and many will die but the production skyrockets (could it even double or so???). so i can pump out more units as the city starves and i purge the planet of those horrid babylonian people.

AND...

while the city is starving and pumping out hoardes of armies for me i can sell all the lovely improvements they babylonians spent thousands of years building, and help pay for my CENTRALLY ALLOCATED army.

MY ARMY GROWS IN POWER AS THE BABYLONIANS DIE OFF.

I LOVE IT. IT'S EVERYTHING I EVER WANTED.

	25-10-2001 07:53									#2
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Why you get banned? For figuring out how to get around the filters and then telling everybody?

	25-10-2001 07:56									#3
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A lot of us got banned for circumventing the filter....

	25-10-2001 08:32									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten A lot of us got banned for circumventing the filter....

What filters?

Were there pcrs?

As for that strategy, it sounds good... but very evil.

	25-10-2001 08:42									#5
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX I LOVE IT. IT'S EVERYTHING I EVER WANTED.

You're a real champ, Uber. A real big old champ.

Death camps. What an inspired idea, as long as you don't mind sounding like a no-class jackass, which is apparently not your concern.

On a side note, why'd you change your picture?

Edit:

On second thought, maybe I'm sorry. Maybe you were just desperately craving attention. Do you need attention Uber? Do you need to trivialize death camps and genocide to do it? Is there a reason you didn't toss in references to torture, medical experimentation and rape while you were at it? Do I need to get a sense of humor, or do you need to give a thought to certain bounds of decency?

I dunno. You tell me, champ.

	25-10-2001 09:31									#6
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Probably 'cause that idea is SICK SICK SICK.

C'mon, Firaxis won't even let us have all the fun terrorism options anymore. You think that they're going to let us play with neat genocidal tactics?

	25-10-2001 10:01									#7
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UberKruX, you are a delightful individual


I've also had the enemy-base deathcamp idea

The only hiccup is that recently captured citizens do no work... so a captured base, by default, will have virtually no production. Question is, will you be able to use forced labor to get a bit of production out of them?

How I think it will work, usually forcing labor will DOUBLE production.
When forcing captured citizens you will get as much 'extra' work out of them. So the city will still be productive, but nowhere near as productive as one of your OWN cities which is being forced.

Better than nothing, but no unbalancing production powerhouse.

	25-10-2001 10:57									#8
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Uber. Were you responsible for the OBL login? Was that the reason for your excommunication?

Anyway, I'm happy your Harkonnian way of squeezing the last drop out of a dying man is impossible.

	25-10-2001 13:01									#9
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I think there is an option to raze city to the ground. I guess Firaxis did not count with your appetite for torture

	25-10-2001 13:10									#10
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Grow up Uber!

	25-10-2001 13:26									#11
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UberKruX, love the Sid head! And your idea of concentration camps. Why not set up death camps to to exterminate the befouling, evil, malicious, barbaric, malevolent, darmaphiliac, egocentric and non-Aryan devil worshippers?

	25-10-2001 13:30									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Earthling7 Uber. Were you responsible for the OBL login? Was that the reason for your excommunication? Anyway, I'm happy your Harkonnian way of squeezing the last drop out of a dying man is impossible.

What is an OBL login?

And death camps? That's pretty sick.

	25-10-2001 13:49									#13
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Actually, I doubt it will be *impossible* it just wont be unbalancing. Because by the time you have worked them to death they probably would have converted to your cause, and instead of a crappy size 1 city you would have a complete city...
Ofcourse, if you just want to work them to death because your evil, thats cool too

	25-10-2001 14:10									#14
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quote: Originally posted by The Templar What is an OBL login?

Read this. http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...osama+bin+laden

	25-10-2001 15:26									#15
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i despise people that only wish to play the "good" parts of history.

the "golden ages" of every respective civ.

there's a large number of horiffic events throughout history, and i'm not one to ignore them.

and i'm im sick for thinking it, firaxis is sick for allowing it.

and they ADDED to my idea somewhat... i just wanted to kill off population and sell improvements, but they actually let us work them to death, increasing your army size.

death camps are, in my opinion, the best appeasement to warmongers in a game geared towards peaceful players.

	25-10-2001 15:35									#16
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quote: Originally posted by CygnusZ C'mon, Firaxis won't even let us have all the fun terrorism options anymore. ?

What kinda terrorism options were there gonna be, before the recent events?

	25-10-2001 15:43									#17
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quote: there's a large number of horiffic events throughout history, and i'm not one to ignore them.

There's a very distinct difference between not ignoring horrific events in history and savouring them.

quote: i despise people that only wish to play the "good" parts of history.

Again: grow up!

	25-10-2001 15:49									#18
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I LOVE IT!!!

in civ2, you could do a "scorched earth" policy, and it was even detailed on these forums in the thread where Jeff morris asked what strategies we use.

what you do was turn all the citizens of a city into taxmen, then sell an improvement every turn. even when the city size drops below 5, you can keep them taxmen while they starve.

In my games, I would poison an enemy city down to size 1, destroy all the improvements, and hit it with a single howie to blow it off the map. I just didn't like where the AI placed cities. didn't fit in my mesh at all.....

	25-10-2001 15:55									#19
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What a horrible idea!! You are really sick UberKruX!!!

Also, I don't like the idea of "bombing" enemy cities with planes/artillery/tanks!
I think it would be better if they would drop flowers and poetry into the city so that the enemy troops desert! Then you can all become good friends and take the city without killing a single person!!!1

	25-10-2001 16:08									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Assur What a horrible idea!! You are really sick UberKruX!!! Also, I don't like the idea of "bombing" enemy cities with planes/artillery/tanks! I think it would be better if they would drop flowers and poetry into the city so that the enemy troops desert! Then you can all become good friends and take the city without killing a single person!!!1

Assur, you are a real gem amongst basalt rocks. What a beautiful idea! My heart goes out to you.

	25-10-2001 16:15									#21
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Good idea Uber...

I was wondering why I hadn't seen you for about a week, LOL.

BTW, don't listen to these flower power hippies. Warmongers rule! And besides, ITS A GAME!!!

I wanted concentration camps!

BTW to any future hippy critics, my family escaped Nazi terror during WWII and immigrated to America in 1958. My great Uncle was at Auschwitz and has a number tattooed across his arm. My grandfather fought in the partisan army for Serbia against the Nazis and my grandmother watched four of her brothers get bayoneted to death, so don't preach to me how terrible the Nazis were. There's a difference between wanting realism in a game and being a Nazi.

Go Uber Go Uber It's your birthday

	25-10-2001 16:28									#22
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Uberkrux, you are really a sick bastard!

I don't see the point in killing enemy cities. Why not instead turn them into yours and assimilate them. Then your empire grows and becomes big. Otherwise it's a waste of resources....

I always think of myself as a liberator of poor citizens who are being ruled by an evil emperor. And I will save them!

	25-10-2001 16:32									#23
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quote: Originally posted by SoulAssassin I wanted concentration camps! BTW to any future hippy critics, my family escaped Nazi terror during WWII and immigrated to America in 1958. My great Uncle was at Auschwitz and has a number tattooed across his arm. My grandfather fought in the partisan army for Serbia against the Nazis and my grandmother watched four of her brothers get bayoneted to death, so don't preach to me how terrible the Nazis were. There's a difference between wanting realism in a game and being a Nazi.

And you are sick too!

	25-10-2001 16:40									#24
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quote: Originally posted by campmajor! And you are sick too!

LOL yeth

	25-10-2001 16:51									#25
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Its a game. I dont see anything wrong with it. Every light must have a dark and every dark a light.

Its not an in game action I would condone, but having the option is fine by me.

If you dont like it, dont do it. But dont begrudge someone else if thats what they want to do. Keep telling yourself, its only a game

	25-10-2001 16:56									#26
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quote: Originally posted by SoulAssassin LOL yeth

Yeah you have some Serbian blood, so you must be sick

	25-10-2001 17:13									#27
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In SMAC you can capture a city and disband it which I tried once. I must admit I felt quite sick when it came up with 30000 citizens have been put to death. I didn't do it again.

Same type of thing happened in Baldur's Gate when I got bored and decided my group should go on a killing spree in the town killing women and children. Never again...

	25-10-2001 17:16									#28
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Uber, you're a sick man. Thanks for the strategy tip. Looks like I won't be using the "Raze City" option now that you've provided an alternative.

	25-10-2001 17:23									#29
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I do not think that forced labor increases production.In the WWII, the forced and tortured labor substituted the absent (they were in the fronts) labor force, who were much more productive. It is also true that no forced labor is better than no labor because it has been changed into soldiers.

	25-10-2001 17:26									#30
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"It is also true that no forced labor is better than no labor because it has been changed into soldiers."
I meant :
It is also true that forced labor is better (for production of course)than no labor because it has been changed into soldiers.