29-10-2001 10:47									#241
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Leo's workshop: halves cost of upgrading units.

This means you can upgrade units that are in cities regardless of whether or not you have this wonder.

	29-10-2001 10:49									#242
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I am so happy that we will be able to "upgrade" units instead of just disbanding them or having a warrior running around my civ in the year 2020!

	29-10-2001 10:50									#243
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man it REALLY sucks that there is no damn MAD in the game

	29-10-2001 10:57									#244
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that makes sense, 50% makes that wonder lot more fair, then it used to be.

so, are the huts pretty cool? the little villages u find and u get free stuff or barb!

	29-10-2001 11:02									#245
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quote: man it REALLY sucks that there is no damn MAD in the game

Well, there basically is. You launch a nuke and the rest of the world turns on you, even allies. Like in SMAC... worked well there.

	29-10-2001 11:22									#246
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quote: Originally posted by wes23 does Leonardos Workshop still work the same?

No. The trigger in Civ III is...

Leonardo's Workshop
Allows you to upgrade units at 1/2 the cost.

	29-10-2001 12:52									#247
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: man it REALLY sucks that there is no damn MAD in the game Well, there basically is. You launch a nuke and the rest of the world turns on you, even allies. Like in SMAC... worked well there.

yeah, but i was hoping for a system like in CTP(2?) where you could city lock them and they would launch upon enemy launch in the same turn. but since i rarely got that far (usually got bored first) i dont know how good the systme was, but i was hoping firaxis would have a better system similar to that concept.

	29-10-2001 14:13									#248
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quote: Originally posted by Nemo yeah, but i was hoping for a system like in CTP(2?) where you could city lock them and they would launch upon enemy launch in the same turn. but since i rarely got that far (usually got bored first) i dont know how good the systme was, but i was hoping firaxis would have a better system similar to that concept.

If I'm not mistaken, it takes 1 turn for an ICBM to hit, so your enemy will have plenty of time to launch a counterstrike. More simple and elegant than CTP:s system...

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	29-10-2001 16:20									#249
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quote: Originally posted by wes23 I got one quick question**** does Leonardos Workshop still work the same? I think it should be a small wonder, I hated upgrading in Alpha C. but since it is not small wonder , I will have to get it firs tif it is the same as in CIV 2 thanks

I believe he posted earlier that Leonardo now cuts the cost of upgrading units by half. (All civs can upgrade their units in Civ 3; it costs cash.)

	29-10-2001 20:26									#250
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I do now understand that pollution will be a huge issue, and you'll have to fight it all the modern age. You just can't ignore recycling improvements, while just having tons of units out to clean anything that appears, like you could in Civ 2.

	29-10-2001 21:57									#251
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quote: Originally posted by Andrew1999 Everything in the guide points to a fixed, 20-tile area that citizens can work. Culture just affects the political boundary of your civ, city resistance/assimilation, negotiating power (they'll accept worse deals if you're culturally superior), and propaganda (it's easier to steal cities with spies if your culture is superior.)

OK, it seems I was mistaken and you can work all the squares from the start, since it was said to be the case in the thread http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...6080#post566080...

However, in that case I keep wondering what this city screenshot means. Most of the outer squares are not inside any other civ's borders, but they still cannot be used. Explanations, any? Another screenshot showing a similar situation is here - you can see that the square southwest of the square you are working on should be inside your city radius and outside all other nations' borders, but still it cannot be used.

	29-10-2001 22:10									#252
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quote: Originally posted by Andrew1999 Great Wall: Doubles effects of walls in cities that have them. United Nations: Allows diplomatic victory

No-one has commented on the CivII effects that seem to have been removed??

Reminder: These two used to force your enemies to conclude negotiations with ceasefire/peace...

	29-10-2001 22:47									#253
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quote: Originally posted by Jarouik OK, it seems I was mistaken and you can work all the squares from the start, since it was said to be the case in the thread http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...6080#post566080... However, in that case I keep wondering what this city screenshot means. Most of the outer squares are not inside any other civ's borders, but they still cannot be used. Explanations, any? Another screenshot showing a similar situation is here - you can see that the square southwest of the square you are working on should be inside your city radius and outside all other nations' borders, but still it cannot be used.

Those 2 screenshots are exactly the ones which made me think you couldn't work the full 21 squares until your city border expanded. However BlueHooHoo has directly said this is not the case. So I can only assume that even though the squares beyond the initial 8 are grayed out before the borders expand, you can still work them.

At this point, who cares. I'll know for sure tomorrow!

	29-10-2001 22:51									#254
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Strategy guide before game is released?

Pathetic.......

Bet you guys go out and buy cheat books to games before you pick em up too....

Half the fun is discovering a games for ones self. Atleast I would think it is.

Heaven forbid some of you learn a technique on your own

	29-10-2001 23:39									#255
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quote: Originally posted by drake Strategy guide before game is released? Pathetic....... Bet you guys go out and buy cheat books to games before you pick em up too.... Half the fun is discovering a games for ones self. Atleast I would think it is. Heaven forbid some of you learn a technique on your own

Judging by earlier commercial Civilization "strategy guides", the book now released probably contains very little in the way of valuable strategies etc. I consider such strategy guides more like complementary (and often erroneous) manuals and hardly worth buying... here the point is that, until the game is released, the book is a unique opportunity to learn some of the facts about the game you will learn anyway once you get your hands on it. There are some people who can't wait until they get to play the game themselves... me included, since I know the game won't be available in Finland until a couple of weeks later. However, I guess I should stop reading Apolyton once the game is released in the US, because I don't want to know *everything* about the game before I can play it myself.

	30-10-2001 01:16									#256
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I like how the wonders that "count as _____ in every town" are gone.
Now, with increases the effect of _____ better. you still have to build _____ to get ______'s effect. Not build a wonder and get all of the ______(e)s in one foe swoop.

	30-10-2001 04:13									#257
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To any one who has the game and the statagy guide. How do the two compair. Is it usefull?

	30-10-2001 05:05									#258
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quote: Originally posted by Wittlich I am so happy that we will be able to "upgrade" units instead of just disbanding them or having a warrior running around my civ in the year 2020!

i totally agree -- i run a perfectionist nation, and there's NOTHING worse than not being able to upgrade. I mean, the ability to upgrade is really really helpful.

Does anyone know how this is implemented (i'm sure this has been answered somewhere else, but i haven't heard an answer, so...)? Can you, on a unit-by-unit level, choose what to upgrade and when to upgrade it? Also, can you choose what to upgrade to (within reason -- no sense in upgrading an infantry to a tank, but there's lots of sense in being able to upgrade an infantry to a marine OR a commando -- just two examples, can't think of any real units to use ). Thanks in advance...

-- adaMada

	30-10-2001 08:09									#259
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quote: Originally posted by Döbeln_2001 If I'm not mistaken, it takes 1 turn for an ICBM to hit, so your enemy will have plenty of time to launch a counterstrike.

"Sir, the Russians have launched a missile at Chicago!"
"Good thing we can move our 11 Modern Armor and 7 Mech Infantry out to the fortresses 2 squares away!"
ICBMs are supposed to be too fast for a meaningful response... ah well, I suppose this is the price of a better game.

	30-10-2001 08:17									#260
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quote: Originally posted by adaMada i totally agree -- i run a perfectionist nation, and there's NOTHING worse than not being able to upgrade. I mean, the ability to upgrade is really really helpful. Does anyone know how this is implemented (i'm sure this has been answered somewhere else, but i haven't heard an answer, so...)? Can you, on a unit-by-unit level, choose what to upgrade and when to upgrade it? Also, can you choose what to upgrade to (within reason -- no sense in upgrading an infantry to a tank, but there's lots of sense in being able to upgrade an infantry to a marine OR a commando -- just two examples, can't think of any real units to use ). Thanks in advance... -- adaMada

Each unit has a type it upgrades to. You can do the units individually or upgrade an entire class at once. Not every type can be upgraded though--for example, you can't make the jump from Cavalry to Tanks.

	30-10-2001 08:25									#261
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Andrew, thanx man! You're doing a great job for all of us still without the game!

	30-10-2001 08:27									#262
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quote: Originally posted by Cluk "Sir, the Russians have launched a missile at Chicago!" "Good thing we can move our 11 Modern Armor and 7 Mech Infantry out to the fortresses 2 squares away!" ICBMs are supposed to be too fast for a meaningful response... ah well, I suppose this is the price of a better game.

I think that the ICBM damage range is like an 8 square radius, so moving them that far wont help at all. And if they plaster your entire continent with ICBMs, even inifinite railways wont help you any...

	30-10-2001 11:33									#263
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Does anyone know if the stealth aircrafts in CivIII actually have stealth (kinda like an air version of submarines) or are they still just upgraded planes?

	30-10-2001 14:45									#264
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quote: Originally posted by khassani Does anyone know if the stealth aircrafts in CivIII actually have stealth (kinda like an air version of submarines) or are they still just upgraded planes?

There missions have a 5% chance of being intercepted by another plane, as opposed to like a 50% chance for normal planes. (figures approximate, cant find source)

But yeah, they are actually stealthy