10-11-2001 22:56									#61
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For me, "We will finish the editor later" translates into "We will come out with an expansion to the game so we can take more of your money!!!!!!"

	11-11-2001 01:19									#62
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I'm with Dansch. I don't care if it comes in an expansion. I just want it done. The advantage to an expansion is that they'll at least have to add a fair amount of good stuff to make people want to buy it. It should be at least to level that ToT's editing tools were (multiple maps might be tough). Frankly it ought to be better than that.

	11-11-2001 01:42									#63
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Sign me up

Mark Laanen
E-mail: laanen@home.nl
Scenarios: Fall of the West Roman Empire, Barron's Earth 3000


plus I'd like to request the ability to add units, more than the 21 you can add now in an indirect way.

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	11-11-2001 03:59									#64
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Add me...you may not have played my one released scenario:

scenario: thering by ChrisHutch...
e-mail: BAkittenOFchaos@aol.com

It was an "upgrade" of Harlan Thompson's "Lord of the Rings" scenario...it had different graphics, more types of unit (and some changes so that unit utilisation was greater) plus you could play as Gondor and Rohan at the same time as the A.I never rode to your aid.

Thus I was able to make things tougher for Gondor as Rohan would be much more effective when they finally get to fight Mordor...plus I added as many appropriate events as possible (I'm pretty sure I had uploaded the version that required Golum to complete the quest! and in addition Moria would be colonized by Dwarves should you clear it...and the Balrog was made easier to destroy so Moria was an option!)

The scenario was available at Mr Temba's Site...I don't know if it is still available and since theives stole my old computer I don't have it to upload again


Anyway I support this open letter and the points raised...at the very least being able to play the world map with civilisations starting in their historic places HAS to be provided as soon as possible.

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	11-11-2001 05:52									#65
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A feedback form!? This IS feedback, and they obviously read it. The problem is that they don't respond. See, a guy like me was originally just annoyed that the game didn't include decent modifying tools; but it does not speak well of Firaxis that they choose not to respond to fan feedback.

I, for one, am not satisfied with the product that they produced, and as such, I plan on excercising my power as a consumer to withold my money until Firaxis produces something decent for scenario makers, and I encourage everyone else who is dissatisfied to do the same. If Firaxis sees a surge in sales after they release an editor patch, that will speak in a language they can understand: money. I really think they miscalculated here. I know that there are alot of rookies who don't see what's so bad about it, but there are alot of us that expect more from several years of waiting and 50 bucks. If Firaxis is going to put such a high premium on selling the most units possible, then we as fans need to use that goal to produce a better civ product. I say boycott Civ 3. I may be the only one doing this, but I don't really care. They're not getting my fifty dollars without showing some consideration to the scenario community.

Jeff Morris shouldn't say that they are looking to have a dialogue with the Scenario-Making Community if he really doesn't want one. And if he does, he should engage us here, unquestionably the most appropriate site to do so.

	11-11-2001 14:43									#66
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I for one, find it inexcusable that a succeeding game, as this one is advertised, lacks the basic features of the game it succeeded.

	12-11-2001 06:55									#67
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I was waiting CIV3 for months to build my scenario about Middle East water problem...

If they can't do any rules.txt, why don't they allow flat world like Civ2, and do like Maxis for SC3K and put a sort of data sheet?

	12-11-2001 10:50									#68
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While I am not a scenario creator, I totally empathize with the views and feelings of this community who in their serious sustained work have brought much enjoyment and extended the dimensions of the original Civ2.

Developers and a company who ignore this sensible request send obvious signals about their intentions. The defence based on their being family people who need to bring home the bacon is no defence at all.

Keep up the pressure!

	12-11-2001 12:59									#69
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Lack of a scenario editor was a serious disappointment for me, because that's one thing I'm always looking for in these games. So sign me up for the letter.

Aleksei Andrievski
E-mail: solmyr@kolumbus.fi
Scenario: Arab Conquests (which I was planning to remake for Civ3 )

	12-11-2001 15:23									#70
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Who patiently read me already know my disclaimer about not been a dedicated player of scenario or MOD in Civ II or SMAC, but considering my change in taste and the great promises from Firaxis I was considering to spend some time around three history scenario, mainly around not combat situation: one in middle age Europe (mainly focused on Italy) and a couple on modern era.

As I see on every editor review, I understand I can't barely have any basic tool to start my tasks, not to mention complete them to a level high enough to interest any game community.

I can live without a scenary (well, at least without mine scenary), but it seems to me a great loss for Civ III I step in to support your demand to Firaxis.

	13-11-2001 03:26									#71
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letter mailed to firaxis

i'm de-toping the thread

	13-11-2001 05:35									#72
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Thanks Markos. (For emailing the letter, not de-topping the thread) Do you have any idea when we might expect a reply? Has Firaxis indicated to you that they intend to provide one?

	13-11-2001 06:30									#73
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quote: Originally posted by [LordLMP] So technicly, Editor like the one SMAC/X mix with the one in Test of Time plus some other things.

I surely hope it will be better than the SMAC monstrosity!

Sorry I am a bit late, but I'll sign up:

DarkCloud
ftg3@lycos.com
author of: Civil Warring Civilizations, Lord of the Flies, and a few other scenarios

	13-11-2001 10:09									#74
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Dark Cloud, where can one get your scenarios?

	13-11-2001 10:09									#75
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Dark Cloud, where can one get your scenarios?

	13-11-2001 10:22									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Schnitzelnator That would be robbery, plain and simple.

Why? There's no gun to head. Not even any false advertisising.

	13-11-2001 10:25									#77
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quote: Originally posted by MagyarCrusader You can add me to the list, but for the record, **** Firaxis. edit by markg: great way to help this cause!

Markos, I hope your edit was to fix an actual obscenity. If not it's childish to put your retorts inside his post...

	13-11-2001 10:30									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Grim Legacy Yes indeed. But you changed your handle a bit too. Civ-wise, I've been lurking a little, playing a little SMAC, not liking it too much though. Not to mention CtP lol. I had more or less planned to re-enter with the advent of Civ3. Too bad we're greeted with these scenario-related disappointments. I'm not sure whether I even have an old account on these forums, I think they changed the Bulletin Board system. Maybe Markos or Dan can tell me?

Are you the same Khan who was on early days of Poly? Or maybe at Addicted or Universe? I remember one guy who I traded e-mails with after I made some coarse comments. He was ok..once I let him know I was being mock angry...

My username has been same entire time on Poly but was George Palmer or GBPIV on Addicted/Universe.

	13-11-2001 10:37									#79
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quote: Originally posted by techumseh Do you have any idea when we might expect a reply? Has Firaxis indicated to you that they intend to provide one?

no to both questions(for the moment)

so far i only got a thank you note from Dan saying he was expecting to recieve it

	13-11-2001 10:39									#80
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quote: Originally posted by GP Markos, I hope your edit was to fix an actual obscenity. If not it's childish to put your retorts inside his post...

my edit was on the word "****". our kind friend had circumvented the filter...

	13-11-2001 10:45									#81
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Good Markos! You are in the right...

	13-11-2001 19:25									#82
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG my edit was on the word "****". our kind friend had circumvented the filter...

What's the filter?

	13-11-2001 20:45									#83
	Sine this has lost it's 'TOP' status... Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

A healthy dose of BUMP is in order to keep the cause alive.



-FMK.

	14-11-2001 03:52									#84
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I agree.

	14-11-2001 07:19									#85
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It would seem that we are in agreement, techumseh

-FMK.

	14-11-2001 15:14									#86
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quote: Originally posted by techumseh Dark Cloud, where can one get your scenarios?

Found DC's scenarios on the homepage in his profile.

Its such a pity that these and all other scenarios are not possible in civ3 (I am now in "keep repeating the same thing a million different times and it may actually work" mode - well either work or get me banned ) )

Oh, and incidentally ... Bump

	14-11-2001 15:21									#87
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quote: Originally posted by GP Are you the same Khan who was on early days of Poly? Or maybe at Addicted or Universe? I remember one guy who I traded e-mails with after I made some coarse comments. He was ok..once I let him know I was being mock angry... My username has been same entire time on Poly but was George Palmer or GBPIV on Addicted/Universe.

I have been on Apolyton a long time back in the Civ2 (Scenario) days... 1996 and later I think, I was known as "El Khan" and also "Ayatollah Khan". Early days indeed.

The SLeague is still being hosted by Apolyton... I hope to return to Scenarios when the proper tools for Civ3 get here. In the meantime, I'm getting to know the game by actually playing it.

	14-11-2001 20:42									#88
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quote: Originally posted by MagyarCrusader Yeah, I've already boycotted this game, and Firaxis. All you suckers who bought the game have just encouraged them to be @$$holes. Thanks a lot!

Maybe some people don't care about MP or the editor. I guess they are "suckers" because they don't like the same as you?

Yeah right.

	14-11-2001 23:14									#89
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Oops, I forgot to mention my scenarios. Here they go:

World in 2000
Falklands' War
Korean War
Current World

	14-11-2001 23:26									#90
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I think he was reffering to people who liked scenarios and MP who bought it anyway...and yes it does encourage them to be *******s.